The debate over what is the best zombie defense weapon is a heated one, with many variables to consider.  Looking  narrowing at firearms, Shooting Editor of Outdoor Life Magazine, John Snow, offers up his picks for top three boom-sticks to have at the ready in a zombie outbreak.

Snow diplomatically chooses one pistol, one shotgun, and one semi-automatic rifle to have all his bases covered.  Here’s how they ranked:

1) Pictured a right we have a fully customized LCW AR-15 by Lauer Weaponry, including an attached arrow gun and Beta-C 100 round ammunition drum ($1,895).

2) Coming in second is the Remington 870 Shotgun with extended magazine, adjustable stock, and attached flashlight ($1,000).

3) And finally, the Para Super Hawg .45 caliber pistol with fiber-optic site and double-stack 14+1 capacity ($1,370).

Personally, I’d take a .357 revolver over the Super Hawg any day.  It has less moving parts to fail, it can fire both .357 and .38sp rounds making it less likely to run out of ammunition, and it’ll save you $1,000 on the purchase price.

When it comes to shotguns, a Mossberg has the same killing power at 1/3 the cost of the Remington.

The Lauer AR-15 is so over the top I can’t even comment on it.  Practically speaking, the cleaning you’d need to do to keep if combat ready is probably enough to get you killed. But when imagining the zombie pandemic as seen in video games, it sure is fun to picture what kind of damage the arrow launcher could do.

So what do you think?  What’s you pick for best zombie firearm?

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  11. Pass hard on shotguns. Both weapon and shells are too big, heavy, and cumbersome to carry around. I say best bet would be a rifle in 5.56/.223. You have two different rounds you can use, grain count is smaller(rounds are lighter, smaller so you can carry more) but plenty of punch behind it, and it’s one of the most abundantly made rounds in the world.

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  13. Although a .357 is great for combating bandits where it will destroy vitals in the torso, its over-kill when fighting zombies, since a head shot destroying the brain is required to kill a zombie and a .357 round will utterly destroy a skull. .45 rounds are better suited for zonbie disposal as they can destroy the brain and are smaller, making it where you can carry more rounds of ammo on person and most .45 pistols hold more rounds than .357 pistols, meaning less reloading. Also .45 pistols generally have less recoil and weight than .357 pistols, which means they input less fatigue on the user, making them better suited for long battles against the undead. I’m not saying .357 pistols are bad pistols, as they are excellent pistols and are one of my favorites, and I’m not sayin they are not suitable for combat against zombies, but in my opinion they are not the best pistols suited for combat against zombies. As for me in the zombie apocalypse i prefer either the S&W M&P or the Sig Sauer P series. Both pistols have excellent accuracy, reliability, ease of maintenance, and durability.

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  17. Dissagree on the pistol with both of u 357 has 6 shots or 5 the hawg is to heavy the HK weighs less is Same caliber holds 13+1 the HK tactical has a prethreaded barrel for a silencer the AR is a good choice since 223 and 5.56 is easily available but so are 7.62/308 more common in fact shotgun well the 870 works or the Mossberg but the siga 12 gauge semi auto carries a 10 shot or a 25 shot drum attach it to the ar n I’ve got a true beast of a weapon even better the sadi pump action 12 gauge

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  19. i’d go with my winchester model 70 pre 64 in .30 06 reason for that is that it’s a hard hitting long range round, common ammo and it’s actually pretty light in the eberlestock it’s in. Also i’d take my .357 lever action marlin and my snubnose ruger .357, i can use the .357 in both rifle and pistol, and can use .38spl if needed, ammo is pretty easy to find, bout the same as the thirty aught, and if i run into another survivor, i can hand off the levergun and carry my thirty aught myself and use it in my element. for a melee i’d take a fiberglass/polymer axe handle and take the axe head off, wrap the end in steel wire, to make a weighted end for hard striking.

  20. The only weapon not in 9mm or .22 lr I’d advocate is the milspec AAC Honey Badger. It has SLAP ammo for use against armored human targets and most importantly subsonic rounds with a long accurate range. The versatility is nice, and the ability to quietly snipe zombies from a distance without alerting others can’t be beat.
    Aguila’s SSS sniper subsonic rounds in .22 lr are also a life saver if you can hoard/find them. They simply lack the range the Honey badger has. I’d stick to .22 lr and 9mm subsonics for my pistols, but keep the .300 AAC Blackout rounds for more occasional ranged use.
    Noise can be a death sentence in a zombie situation. Penetration of rotted flesh is easy. Go for silence, followed by range.

  21. the gun that Max Brooks had made for him looks like an ideal gun, not loud, common ammunition, easy to fire, and light.

  22. More important then focusing on a specific firearm focus on skills. One, have a general proficiency with all types of firearms. If you can visit a state where you can go to a gun range and fire a full auto weapon. Developing good fundamental firearm skills will allow you to adopt to whatever weapon you end up with. Two, learn to reload ammunition. Watch some videos, read some books, if your lucky enough to have a friend who reloads ask them to teach you. Once you can reload you can scavenge ammo to reload ammo for the guns you have, and you would be surprised how many places sell or have reloading tools out there. You can take a 30-06, use a bullet puller to remove the bullet and powder, remeasure and with a new primer reload a .308 Winchester, the bullets are the same diameter and weights should be very close. Knowing your powders and how to measure is important. You can get molds for rifled slugs and buckshot make shotgun reloading easy. Used tire weights make great raw materials for bullets. A simple single stage press can do almost all centerfire pistol and rifle cartridges and then a shotgun press for 12-gauge, and you can reload most of the ammo you need. The reloading dies are the key, each caliber has its own. Knowledge is they key, know how to produce as well as scavenge and you double your resources.

  23. Get some training and a good BO staff. It is a melee weapon that produces extreme blunt force trauma while holding your distance. Also almost any piece of pipe or broom handle can be used as a BO. Combine this with Ken-do armor or chain mail and even if the zombie gets close they will have a hard time contaminating you. And let’s face it ammo will be extremely hard to find. I suggest any high capacity .22lr rifle with a shorter over all length (preferably with collapsing stock). Why pick them off at 400yds. That far away they would not be aware of your presence. Pipe bombs are easy and deal a lot of damage to a large area so make a bunch in case your position is over run. Last carry a large bag of bb’s when you are being chased down a hallway they will trip up the zombies provided you scatter them well enough.

  24. The best 22 is the ruger 10 22. For around $250 you get a ten round semi auto.

  25. I would use either my S&W 15/22 or my Sig 522, both in .22lr for the following reasons.

    1). Both cabines are of the very popular AR. type platform.

    2). Because they are AR. type platforms, they are very easy to breakdown for cleaning & maintenance.

    3). Because .22lr rounds are almost always available & inexpensive, you can stock-up on literally 1000s of rounds & not break the bank.

    4). The .22lr rounds can & WILL penetrate the skulls of both the undead & those very much alive, who may want to bring harm & mayhem to you & your loved ones.

    5). Even quality .22lr rounds; eg: ( Cci mini mags or their Velocitor rounds cost no more than $7.00 or $6.00 respectively); for 100 rounds or 50 rounds. These rounds are, in my opinion, great quality rounds.

    6). I would also suggest a handgun in the same caliber. Mine would be the Ruger Mk II 5 1/2 in bull barrel, with ten, 10 round loaded magazines.

    7). As for the afore mentioned cabines; I would have at least four 25 round magazines.


    • .22 is great, but, apparently you haven’t tried to buy any .22 rounds recently; they are almost impossible to get. I’ll stick with my .30-06 M1 Garand, since those rounds are a little easier to come by right now.

  26. Best zombie firearms for me:

    Pistol – Springfield “GI” 1911 with Wilson 10-round magazines. If revolver, .357 like the OP recommends, or a .44 which would also give you the option of using .44 Spl rounds.

    Shotgun – Mossberg 12 gauge, preferably the 500 model.

    Rifle – Remington 700 or equivalent .308 bolt action rifle.

  27. Anyone that does not pick a .22 pistol as zombie FIREARM of choice is a damned idiot, no recoil, attract least attention from noise, and OMG how will you ever run out of ammo?

    • Amen, .22 will enter the skull and bounce around a few times, carry 500 rounds for the weight of 20 12gauge. Little chance of parts breakin on a simple rimfire.

  28. The best gun is the one you have, that is loaded at the time.

  29. id have to go with my FN 5 seven 20 round magazine ineradicable accurate low recoil, light weight and they have extended mags that hold 30 rounds thats my handgun of choose when the zombie comes

  30. All of you that said a .22 rifle are right on the money. It doesn’t take much to penetrate the decomposing head of the undead. So stopping power is a low priority. There is virtually no recoil with a .22 and therefore accuracy will be key. Ammo is also cheap for the .22 and you can get a lot of it. Having said that. The best firearm for CQC would be any shotgun that can take multiple shell sizes. I have a Remington Super Mag and will accommodate all sizes. Studies have also proven that under stressful conditions, I.e. fight or flight, all fine motor skills go out the window. So good luck hitting what your aiming at. Therefore, get a gun that does not require any marksmanship. However, zombies aren’t the only things you need to worry about. Therefore, you will want to carry a higher caliber rifle or handgun to deal with any malevolent human.

    • Spc. Cole 75th rangers

      if that is true how did i survive Iraq? If anything the adrenalin dump helps you, and for the record i’d take my M4

  31. Anything 22 caliber. Most common ammo type, easy to keep up on ammunition, easy to fire, and all you need to do to kill a zombie is sever the brain stem, and it would be extremely easy to do with such a low recoil weapon.

  32. Rifle: M1A Scout, Short yet accurate up to ~400-500 meters (If you don’t believe me, look it up). It holds 20+1 cartridges of .308 Win, big enough for almost anything with the right shot placement.
    Shotgun: Remington 870 express, cheap yet reliable, 5+1 shells in the magazine.
    Pistol: Springfield XD(m) in .45; It hold 14+1 round in the magazine, and .45 is big enough both zombies and looters.

  33. I would go for 9MM handgun bc of the increased RpM (round per mag)
    for a shotgun I would probably find myself an AA12 with a 100 round drum mag
    as far as an assaul rifle goes you can’t really go wrong with a tactical 7.62×39 short barrel AK-47
    Red dots, laser pointers, and flashlights all around.
    I would also recommend gun straps, a magazine kevlar vest, and space for all your ammo on your person.

  34. Rifle : smith and Wesson m&p 15-22.
    Reasoning: .22 isnt the most reliable, but plentiful and light. Emphasis on the light. And it can easilly penetrate a skull, and if it won’t. Go for the eye.

    Handgun: colt m1911 chambered in .22lr. (I’m a fan of the .22). But if I really need stoping power I’ll go for a .45acp. With hollow point. Of course.

    Shotgun: 1216 shotgun. Expensive, but auto loading and holds 16 rounds. And you can designate different tubes for different shell types. Slugs in one #4 buck in the other 3.

    Really the .22 is great. And having a handgun and an assault rifle using the same round saves on money big time. Yes there are sbr/smgs that can shoot 9mm or .45 but they lack long range accuracy. I’m open to opinion. On any of my choices

  35. First as a sidearm, Beretta 92s –
    Very accurate, extendable magazine capacity, and a reliable gun, and easily attachable silencer or suppressor.

    Second for a shotgun, Remington 870 extended cartridges – accurate gun, good firepower and is easy enough to maintain

    Third, I would go for a Lauer AR-15 with attached red dot or laser sights and extended magazines. Reliable gun and powerful.

    Also I would pick up a simple .22 pistol because of the accuracy and minimum weight. Plus ammo is very easy to find.

    An aluminum baseball bat is also essential. Easily maneuverable and storable. Easy to destroy brains with.

  36. Most of ya’ll seem to be praisin th glock 17 and forgetting about how th.1911 was th longest serving military and law enforcement side arm and in some units still are.though I argee with th revolver comments how they can chamber different rounds and are more rugged and reliable.

    And I hate how y’all are raggin on th ar-15 were th hell r you going to a good reliable true ak or sks and avoiding shotgun r some of you people insane one of th most common guns in th world .
    my choice of weapons would have to be

    Side arm: either th Springfield armory GI. 1911 .45 acp or th S&W model 329 XL hunter. 44mag

    Long range: Winchester 30.30 or th remington model 700 VTR A-tacs camo in .308
    Or if I would pick a bushmaster in .223 or a M14 in. 308

    Shotgun:either th remington A-5 semi auto or Winchester super X pump simply because pumps r more accurate and you can use ammo sparingly also just to through in truck a stoger double defense its quick short and easy to use in tight quarters

    Melee a good ol bowie knife with a saw back close to handle or a trench knife multiple uses and ways to kill or though y’all have been puttin it down though crowbar again multi uses

    And I’d probably bring my crossbowa tomahawk m48

    But that’s my opinion trust me I’m a redneck I know how to survive

  37. the problem with guns is, you can never have enough amo. and if you want a good gun you need to get the gun with the most easily to find amo. your not going to find M16 shells on every corner.

  38. i think i would have to chose either a kel-tek sub 2000 it holds 9mm or .45 depends on what modle of it you get and the 9mm and .45 are the two most used handgun rounds out there and for a pistol even tho i dont like them at all and i would rather a berreta m92fs i would use a glock 17 because they are really easy to take care of and to clean and they can take anlot before braking down i really like the 1911 aswell but that would be better for a more experienced marksmen because it takes alot more cleaning and handling and shotgun wise i would much prefer a kel-tek ksg shotgun because it is bulpup design which means it’s action is behind your back hand which means you can have a much longer berrel in a smaller body so it can be use for CQB and the ksg has a double magizine so you can hold two tubes of shells in a much smaller body but the ksg is a much harder firearm to find then a remington or mossberg please reply with you opinion

  39. as far as hand guns go i vote Glock they come apart in three peaces generally. rifle AK-47 still an assault riffle but is beyond durable and cleaning if needed is super simple. shotgun Benelli M1 super 90 entry gun extended clip.

  40. I would go for the more common calibers, 9mm parabellum, 5.56 Nato for commonality – easier to scrounge in the ruins of Cabellas, Police Stations, Nat’l Guard Outposts and gunshops

  41. AK-47 or any of it’s variants and clones. Almost no maintainance.

  42. m1 carbine 15 round clip is the norm as easy to maintain as the ak it was desighned as an airborne infantry weapon so its light older models are preaty cheap newer models are a little bit more expensive but there water proof put a scope on it and you got a sniper rifle take the scope off and its short enough for close quarters

    gerber made a new machety(spelled wrong i know dont care) its sponsered by bear grylls i mention that becouse its how most people would know it plus look for bear grylls ultimate knife

    and for a pistol i would have a simple baretta with a silencer

    all that will be enough as far as weapons go will get you out of any situation

  43. My Remington 870 TAC cost only $600 in NYS, of all places. Where’s the author buying his guns from?

  44. My Beretta Px4 Storm does me just fine. It may be a 9mm, but it holds 17+1 standard and its pinpoint accurate. So headshots are no problem. Remington 870 12 gauge is just the best all around pump shotgun money can buy. As far a a semi auto rifle goes, SKS will bring the pain. But if you want to get perched high up and pop the undead fucks from a perched sniper point, Mosin Nagant 91/30. Or you can take out entire hordes at once with molotov cocktails out of a moving vehicle window.

  45. Personally i would choose these weapons.

    AK47 because it requires little maintenance that or an M4 because i’m pretty sure i can find some rounds my local gun store of police department.

    Honestly idk much about shotguns. I would use a pump or semi auto shotgun.

    I would use a glock as my pistol. Even though it dosent have enough stopping power it holds a ton more rounds per magazine. if you aim for the head why would you want stopping power. a quick clean kill.

    a melee weapon would be anything i can pick up and kill a motherfucker with. a machete would be just right though!

    A bow and arrow would be more efficient

  46. Custom tactical tomahawk with concealed.45colt\.410 derringer in handle. Nail gun with portable air tank comes with to many accessories to list. That should cover killing and rebuilding in one set. See no ones thought of rebuilding or repairing.

  47. Anyone considered the new “Judge” five shot wheel gun capable of firing .45 and .410!? So ammo versatility as well as knock down in one package. Then there’s the new .177 cal varmint center fire I beleave. From the ballistics and some vids I have seen hitting some zombies grey matter isn’t an issue. The small cal. allows for a lot of rounds to be carried. My fav is the 12 ga.double barreled sawed off like Mad Max cleaned streets with when I was just a wee nipper.

  48. Count me in on the .22LR and .22WMR as well, readily available in bulk, cheap and low recoil and perfectly capable of shooting through a scull. I personally like the Hornady .22WMR and .17 HMR V-Max loads. for longer range a .223 .243 or .30-06 should be sufficient.

    I’m also on board for the Ruger 10-22 and I’ll add in the M-77 for more precision when required and in the .22LR, .17HMR, and .22 WMR the magazines are interchangeable between the 10-22 and the M-77.

    I also love the Weaver K3W and K4W wide view scopes moderate magnification and a wider view and quality manufacturing, unfortunately they’re near impossible to find anymore so the K4 works just fine.

  49. pistol – glock 21 with .22lr conversion with 30 round and 25 round entended mag (respectivly) – .45 ammo wont be easy to find where i live, but .22 is a plenty.

    shotgun – saiga 12k with short barrel and side folding butt stock

    rifle – hk416. everything i love about the m4 with the reliability of an AK.

    and an e-tool. i know it doesnt have the length of a baseball bat but it’s a lot more versatile (you can use it as a toilet seat if need be)

    • Careful with the Saiga, in my experience its not friendly with all ammo. I know form the hole in my bedroom wall that it warps and shred the plastic on Winchester PDX rounds, to the point the extractor won’t grab the one on the chamber.
      I need to get mine back together and replace the M500 leaning against my nightstand.

  50. Interesting. I’m writing a series on weapons I’d take in the zombie apocalypse (You can see part 1 here) but if I had to pick 1 of each this is what I would take:

    Pistol: .357 revolver

    Shotgun: Mossberg 500 Persuader (Pump Action)

    Rifle: Ruger 10/22 with Red Jacket Firearm’s Bullpup stock.

    All these guns are ideal for close quarters combat and taking out zombies at a distance. However, should a real apocalypse break out, I’d ditch the shotgun and go with an AR-15. Shotgun ammo, while common, is bulky, and would take up more room than .223 or 5.56. Plus, the AR-15 could take out survivors that want your supplies easier than a .22.

  51. Basically i would fortify my position (my house). My current offensive weapon systems are my spikes tactical AR my BCM midlength AR, my saiga conversion AK and my romainian sar-1.
    My side arms consist of two glock 19’s and a s&w m&p .40. Basically i have 2500 rds of federal xm193 and 3500 rds of yugo surplus 7.62×39. So in a fortified position i have access to over 6000 rds of rifle ammo not including 2500 rds of .22lr for the two ruger 10/22’s. 1000 9mm and 400 .40 s&w. So im pretty well stocked on the homefront. HOWEVER if we are over run or run out of food (i have a stream for water behind the house) i would suit up in my tac vest with 12 30 rd mags of 5.56 and 4 20 rd mags in the other two pouches. My glock would be on one thigh with a 33rd mag and the m&p .40 on the other. Camel back in the back of my vest and BCM over my shoulder. My fiance would be geared out the same with her glock and her spikes tactical AR. My two friemds would be carrying the aks loaded out with 6 30 rd mags each and more camel backs. Two of us would be carrying food supplies and tents. The other two strictly water amd first aid! Bare essentials only here. Between the four of us we will have four “assault rifles” 36 30rd mags for the rifles. Five pistols 3 mags each 15-17 rds each avg. will have nearly 2000 rds plus body armor kear vests from
    My department if i knew of zday ahead of time which most police should. Lol. I figure we would have enough ammo and food and water to safely find our way to a new fortified position. Maybe an old jail or hospital with thick walls and we could collapse a staircase or two on the second or third floor. Rope ladder down to male watter and supply runs. If possible we would ride out in my jeep until we run out of gas or have no road or open terrain left amd then we will be on foot. Moving early in the morning from temp shelter to temp shelter until we find a strong hold with everything we need to sustain ourselves. I think that people dont realize that its unrealistic to find ammo and guns from dead cops amd military personell. If u made it that long then i doubt thered be any ammo or zombies left to use it on. Theyd long be decayed into organic matter. And people its a MAGAZINE NOT A CLIP. Clips hold rounds to load into fixed or removable MAGAZINES! Good luck to yall on zday. MAY YOU AK BE WITH YOU HAHA

  52. I just need my AK-47 with 75 round drum mag. and a couple extra 40 rd. clips and I’d be good….. The 7.62 round is powerful enough to take out two or three zombies with one shot if they are congregated….. I’d have a nice sharp sword as a melee weapon…..

  53. heartbreakerninja

    me i would have the following:

    some kind of long range shot gun, 2 pistols, a few dozen hand grenades, one long sword, 2 pocket knifes, one hunting knife, and some type of bow and arrow set. [for just in case you run out of bullets] and a pack of well trained dogs. oh ya and a few disposable cats [to keep the zombies busy]

  54. id have myself a Vulkan Minigun 😛 if you have the backpack for ammo you wont run out fact and it has plenty of stopping power. coming by ammo when you run out could be tricky and its be a pain to carry around with you, but if a horde of zombies attacks you, all you need to do is hold your ground and shoot like a mad-man. Plus if they get too close it would weigh enough for you to do some serious damage to em just by hitting them over the head with it

  55. I’ve got a 12-gauge Mossberg 500 (currently with a rifled barrel and 2.5x scope, but I have other barrels as well), an HK USP chambered in .40 S&W, and a Ruger GP100 .357. Together with my Paul Chen katana, I’d say this was is a winning combo for the zombie apocalypse or any other social upheavals.

    The ammo for all three guns is pretty common.

    The 12-gauge is versatile, ideal for sniping or close-up with a barrel change that takes less than a minute to complete. The rifled barrel with slugs is accurate to 200 yards; I dropped a deer at that range a couple years ago (different scope).

    My sidearms are a great pair also; good rate of fire and ammo capacity in the .40 (13+1 rounds), proven man-stopping power in the .357.

    However, versatility in yourself is probably more important than having “the ideal weapon.” If you run out of ammo for your favorite gun, trade it up for something else you’ve found. Carry a couple of each type of weapon, so you have a backup if one fails.

    Here in the good old USA, there are more guns than there are citizens. And you can bet that there’s ten thousand times more assorted rounds of ammo than there are people here. Enough to kill all the zombies ten times over. If all the survivors do their part and waste their share of zoms before they die, we’ll be in good shape in no time.

  56. Keep it simple guys! I’d take these over most anything: Rifle: M1A1 carbine, AK (47/74/100 series/12), or a nice mosin/tokarev rifle. Handgun: Sig P226 (or P220), Glock 22 (With RTF), or the good ol’ M1911. Shotgun: To be honest I’d avoid a shotgun all together…but for the sake of this article I’d still keep it simple…maybe a Mossberg 500? Like I said…I’m not a fan of shotguns. Though I feel the ideal weapons loadout would be an AK variant for the ease of purchasing magazines and the ability to store them in a MOLLE vest, any of the three handguns mentioned above, a machete for versatility, and an entrenching tool (sharpened of course) again for versatility. But let’s not forget weapons are only a small piece of surviving. In a pinch almost anything could be used as a makeshift weapon.

  57. I’d have to go with an ak47. It’s durable, requires little maintenance, and is heavy enough to be used as a hand weapon should it come to that.

  58. M1-Garand 30.06 cal. for its durability, long range accuracy, its easy to clean quickly, plus it has a compartment for a feild cleaning kit in the stock.
    12 gauge semi-auto benelli with extended ammo tube.
    and either a .357 magnum semi-auto Coonan or, my other favorite, the .357 magnum colt Python.
    all easy to clean, can be used as blunt weapons with little to no dmge done to the weapon itself, and hardly ever jam if at all, also ammo is fairly easily procured.

  59. Put me in the .22 LR camp as well – its is entirely capable of putting a round through a human skull – and even if it doesn’t the first time, recoil is so low, that you can just squeeze off another of the ludicrous amount of rounds you can carry.

    Platform of choice would be the Ruger 22 Charger (http://www.ruger.com/products/22Charger/index.html) – Ruger 10.22 in a (albeit large) pistol configuration, comes standard with cope and bi-pod. Small enough to pack, 50 round mags, and with scope and bi-pod, good for longer range (out to 100 meters) Z-killing and small game hunting.

    Backup: you cant beat a framing/carpentry hammer. Everyone has one, will crack skulls forever with no maintenance necessary, the ergonomics are awesome, everyone has used one, and the movements necessary for usage are all gross motor, perfect for high-stress situations. Can also be used for entry and/or fortification of buildings, and you can pick up a belt-hanger for them at any hardware store, so carrying is not a problem.

  60. If i had to take guns i would take the following
    Rifle: The old Family Winchester, mainly because that thing has been in the family for years and has yet to fail us
    Pistol: Either a Glock or Berretta 9mm, just for the plentyness of ammo
    Shotgun: Good old Fashioned Remington 12 Gage, They are used by SWAT for a reason

  61. Ruger 10/22 semi automatic rifle with aimpoint sight (great for cqc and can still be deadly at up to 200 yards).
    Mossberg 500 with extended magazine, breaching muzzle break (can use the barrel like a spear if needed) and a folding stock.
    Glock 23 .40, hollow points and a tactical light.

  62. My choice in rifle is a pretty little 10/22 I customized. The ammo is light-weight, cheap, and very easy to find and could definitely take out a zombie at close range. For my pistol I’ll have to go with the venerable M1911. Not really much I can say to justify that choice that you all wouldn’t already know. For shotguns, a .410 pump would be great. Low recoil so it’d be easy to acquire another target after I get a shot off and, again, lightweight, cheap, and plentiful ammo.

  63. Ak47 with a side folding stock, flashlight,red dot, laser pointer, fiberoptic sights, suppresor, 100 drum mag,
    Glock 17 9mm with several extended mags, flashlight, laser, fiberoptic sights, suppressor
    Seiga 12 with a bunch of upgrades such as the ones listed above

    Personally, I would also add a .22 rifle such as a ruger 10/22, there are many upgrade kits you can add to it along with accessories. I would also include a high caliber light weight long range rifle possibly a .308 or 7.62×54 round

    That’s just my 2¢ but ultimatly I would use any weapon that is reliable and easy to maintain And shoots cheap ammunition that is in abundance

  64. .22LR*

    BS your .22 were not penetrating, did you put half charges in for the powder? I can put a .22 an inch into a 2×4 at 70 yards!

  65. Everyone here going for .223 rounds is kind of ridiculous.

    Zombies don’t wear Armour, and if you need a .223 to hit it where a .22 wont, you don’t need to be shooting at it in the first place.

    I would take a ruger 10-22 with a drum magazine and a .357 pistol for back up.

  66. My ideal equipment would vary according to the situation, the only constants being a Remington 700 SPS Tactical AAC w/ suppressor. When defending my home, I’d like my AK-103, a Saiga 12, and my Sig 1911. If I have to grab my go-bag, I’d carry the Sig 522 commando w/ suppressor and the Sig mosquito. My thinking is that it matters little how heavy the ammunition is when you’re in a fortified position, when moving however, you should try to maximize the amount of ammunition you can comfortably carry.

  67. G’day,

    Agree, what you got now is what you will have during first days. Going with a hold-out for month or so strategy and have stock-piled for same. Got deep well. Got 4m walls around compound with firing step. Solar panel and batteries for comms w/- satellite dish and long range radio.

    Benelli Super-90, luv it, got it’s uses from inside the fortress. LED light attached
    (12Ga is nice common round)
    KG-9 (with suppressor mods) … marginal value except stealth runs / spray and pray.
    (9mm pistol rounds)
    Glock 19 (wife’s gun)
    (more 9mm ammo)
    S&W 1911 … back up
    (45 ACP – common round where I live)
    Armscor MAK22FS – (some mods applied to improve ROF)
    (22LR – high volume value)
    Ruger Target Tactical 10/22 + Leopold MIV scope (mods done for pictinny rail to mount upon)
    (22LR with accuracy for critters to eat and trick shots – good to teach the kids with too)
    Last resort:
    Custom Basket hilted highlands sword (and some others),
    Knucle-guard machete for raids
    Various axes, adzes, hammers, garden tools.
    Several 9′ Spears with crosspieces for defending the 4m fences from the firing step

    For plan B: 4WD ‘battle wagon’ … work ute really but tough enough for apocalyse highway use I’d reckon.
    Generator for power when required to upgrade/zombie proof ute .

    Wish list – but legalities complicate where we are:
    Mini 14 with mods (or auto variant – AC-556)
    Any 5.56/7.62 military/auto with fire select or 3rd burst option.
    Barret? M134 Minigun? Tank?

  68. A bolt action rifle is the best. They’re more accurate, you don’t waste ammo as often thereby forcing you to be accurate, and you can find one almost anywhere.

  69. Not ranked in order-

    Ruger 10/22 (remember, brain shots. .22 is light and common) w/ 22″ heavy fluted barrel (heavy barrel for accuracy, fluted for more surface area helps cooling and reduces weight). Variable 3-12x scope. Add whatever bipods / sexy stocks / 1000 round drum magazines your ego requires from here.

    An automatic .22 pistol. I have no reecommendations, as I am not experienced with the 22 automatic range of pistols.

    .223 or .308 bolt rifle with 24 or 26″ heavy barrel. Common calibers for scrounging and reloading. Good power for game, the living, or living dead. Variable power scope of your liking.

  70. my chosen weapons:
    Sniper Rifle w/ bipod and plenty of Ammo so that I can remain hidden and fire off head shots (one shot one kill)
    45 with laser sight minimum of 10 replacement clips
    12 gauge with pump action for emergency situations.
    enough rations to get survive for a few days until I can get to the nearest city
    minimum of three claymores to stop approaching hoards and give me warning that they are getting too close to my position so that I can bug out.

  71. Jason the Gun Smith

    Here is my personal collection set aside for the Zpocalypse. Well scratch that any major issue that disrupts society.

    Hand Gun:
    Beretta Elite IA in .40 S&W – Best hand gun to have as side arm in my own opinion. This gun features a heavier hammer and is able to carry 12 rounds(11+1). It also has a tac rail on bottom perfect for mounting a flashlight or laser. I choose a handgun in .40 S&W vs. other calibers due t othe .40 S&W having the best distance vs power ratio of any other round. .40 packs more power and distance than 9mm and more distance than .45 ACP. Not only that .40 S&W is easy to find ammunition and this carbine will use the same magazines as my handgun if need be.

    Remington 700 Varmint chambered in .308 Win. – This is hands down the best rifle for your money! There is only two other rifles that will compete with this rifle but they both lack the amount of mods that can be done to this rifle. The Remington 700 chambered in .308 is the most common gun used in professional shooting and is also a favorite among the military for personal sniper gun builds. Mine has lengthened bolt, chrome lined barrel, HS Precision stock with adjustable cheek plate, and Rifle BASIX trigger. For my scope I am using a Leupold VXII which is by far not the best but is better than most shooters skills.

    Beretta CX4 Storm .40 S&W – From the factory this gun is great but after going through and adding a custom tactical selection to this gun it is a thrill and probably the best carbine I have fired in pistol caliber. I know people will try to bag on me for using a pistol caliber carbine but when SHTF .40 S&W will be far easier rounds to find than any of the standard cabine rifle rounds. I have BSA red dot scope with laser attachment for the handle. I love this gun and recommend one for everyone.

    Saiga 12 – This is one of the best assault shotguns available on the market right now and extremely reliable. These shotguns have the ability to carry up to 20 12 guage rounds in a drum, or if you prefer they also have smaller 5, 10 ,15rd magazines. Mine is configured with the converted trigger group(moved forward like standard AK) folding buttstock and UTG quad picatinny rail. My bottom rail has a forward grip and laser sight. Right side rail has flashlight. Top rail has UAG AK47 Tactical Red Dot Scope. Left rail has cleaning kit pouch.

    These are not my only guns but will be the first to go with me.

  72. Personally I find the British L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle to be a particcullarly good candidate with its reliability, long range, high accuracy and easily interchangeable parts however the negativities include the fact that chances are you will only find these parts in the British commonwealth of Belgium, also the Rifle is unbelievably heavy.

    The gun was obviously very effective as it was used from 1950’s-1990’s. Also it was used all over the world so proved effective in a wide range of environments.

  73. there are only a few places in the head were a 22 shot can be lethal ben, and they’re all very small, good luck hitting those spots under pressure and stress! and a machete? do you want infectious zombie blood spraying all over you at point plank range? you’ve been watching too many films

    • Tell that to Bobby Kennedy. A silenced .22lr (meaning that the round is subsonic and therefore has less powder) will still punch a hole in a skull rather easily. That’s why it is still used for that exact thing even today by many special forces and intelligence officers. Can a hollowpoint or even a normal round hit a sloped part of the skull and deflect rather than penetrate every once in a great while? Sure, but it’s far from the norm. Unlike live humans a meatbag most likely isn’t going to fall down unconscious if that happens, giving the impression of dead. Even if it does, the idea is to keep yourself from getting eaten in the moment. Consider the fact that you’re carrying three to four times more ammo, have less recoil to worry about, and can get off rounds extremely fast and it’s a no-brainer. Weight is an important factor if you’re out scavenging or not hunkered down someplace secure.

  74. just give me a 22 handgun with a scope and plenty of ammo and a machete. gotta keep moving or you dead people

  75. Well im in the UK and have a section 2 licence permitting me to independatly own and use double barrel shotguns, semi-auto’s and pumps up to a 3 in the tube-one in the chamber cap and I’m seventeen, so the gun laws around here are not as nazi as everyone seems to think. to all you people spoilt with access to AR’s with 30rd mag’s that might not sound helpful but its gold around here. perfect for defending a fortified postition.

    however if i was foot mobile travelling light is essential, my nomad weaponry kit would be as simple as a sidearm (both my parents are ex-military so we have some things we shouldnt in britain) melee weapon such as steel baseball bat (blunt weapons only, dont want a zombie pissing blood on you when you slash it with your machete, keep that in mind rambo wannabe’s) and a large sturdy knife for emergencies and the versitlity a knife provides, you ALWAYS need one.

    my final ‘weapon’ would be a large maglight, it sounds strange but hear me out: you’ll have a torch in your kit as standard yes? well the large maglight such as the new ML100 LED version is nearly indestructable, provides massive illumination and is perfect as an emergency bludgeon, more than capable of breaking a healthy skull let alone a rotting zombie head, which in my eyes is more than a fair trade for the extra weight. i have one of the older US air force stock maglights that is older than me and works like new, they’re so underrated.

  76. Personally, I’d like a weapon set that works against both undead and living threats, close OR far away. That said, I’m a fan of not expending ammunition when possible.

    As a primary, I’d have to go with an Izimash AKM equipped with a low-power fold-away scope; with the same tough, simple construction and abundant ammunition as the AK-47, it also has improved accuracy due to added barrel reinforcement. It’s hardy enough to be used with a bayonet or by hitting with the stock, it can be silenced, and it has full-auto capability (useful when dealing with faster targets such as aggressive bandits and the like). I don’t worry too much about round dropoff (since I’m not a sniper and prefer mid-to-close combat), so this is the perfect primary for me.

    I’m not a fan of shotguns; they’re loud, inaccurate, and their ammunition is massive. As a replacement, I would prefer a good, sturdy crowbar. It weighs about the same, has a multitude of applications, and will crush an undead head easily. Also: blunt objects don’t make a bang, and don’t need reloading.

    As a pistol, I’d go with a Taurus Raging Judge Magnum. It’s a revolver (fewer moving parts, as well as brass recovery), and it take both .45-cal and .410-bore ammunition (it’s a pistol and shotgun in one!). Also fairly concealable and lightweight.

  77. Ok, you guys have to consider that you’ll mostly be shooting undead, for which you want .22LR hands-down, but also will need something for fighting the living who are there to pillage, rape steal. Zombie apocalypse is also not the time to indulge Dirty Harry fantasy or stick with a favorite gun… I love my Kimber Ultra Carry III in .45, but very poor choice, totally wrong firearm.
    I would pick…
    1) Ruger 10/22 With tactical folder stock and holographic sight for Zombie work,
    2) M4 in 5.56 for the living, and trading up ASAP after armory raid to selective fire for 3-rd burst,
    3) 8-shot .22LR revolver for Zombie backup gun, and
    4) Springfield XD .40for the living as backup

    That gives you portability, easy ability for tactical sling of both rifles, quiet zombie weapon, and very ready ammo acquisition (almost all police now use .40)

    • THANK YOU. Finally, those who know firearm outside of Call Of Duty and have some common sense are heard from. Ruger 10/22 is the way to go, but I’d probably match it with a MKIII pistol. .22lr is cheap, light (would you rather have more stopping power for something you’re shooting in the head anyway or be able to carry three to four times more ammunition?), and would be invaluable for trading. Agree with an M-4 or AR variant, but would probably prefer a Sig P229 in .357Sig for the living. Seeing as how that would be a difficult pistol to keep fed unless you had a handloading set-up and the supplies, I’d probably go with either the same gun in 9mm or a good ol’ .45 S&W 1911.

  78. Rifle: Norinco Mak-90 all the goodness of an AK 47 only easier to aquire and legal with no stamps.

    Pistol: Taurus 9mm has a rail on the bottom for a light and is easy to breakdown and clean.

    Shotgun: Saiga 12k same action as an ak so no worries of a jam there, and can get drums of up to 20 rounds for it.

  79. Sidearm- G23 .40 cal glock, uses any glock .40 mag except the g27. Law enforcement in most ares carry them so if ammo or mags are an issue I’m sure during an infestation you could find a “few” laying around. In a perfect world I believe the FN five seven is also a viable sidearm. 20 round mags with extensions that allow for 30 rounds. Low recoil and polymer allowing for a light weight carry. Only downfall is ammo availability.

    Shotgun- KSG by Kel-Tec if it ever comes out for civilian sale. !2+1 capacity at its lowest I believe, bull-pup design, so it’s smaller for easier maneuverability. uses shells as short as 1 3/4″ up to the 3″ Can be outfitted with a forearm grip for stability and speedier chambering of rounds. Other than that beauty a Saiga, mossberg m500 mariner(for the waterproofing), Remington mcs(hard to come by but great), benelli m4, or Mossberg 930 Special Purpose. That gives a selection between pump and semi auto.

    Rifle- FN SCAR or FS2000 if a 5.56 round is your liking. Both use M16 style mags, the FS2000 gives a bull-pup design, once again allowing for easy maneuverability and it’s ambidextrous. The SCAR is just a great replacement to the M16/AR-15 styled weapons. If a PDW is the order of business than the PS90 would be my choice as it uses the same ammo as the five seven and has mag capacity 50 round magazine. So if you carry a five seven and a PS90 you only carry 1 kind of ammo.

    With so many choices out there it’s just a matter of personal likes and dislikes.

  80. best combo would be
    tabuk sniper rifle… as both utilize the same magazine/ calibre… note however thet the gun is an iraqi designated marksman rifle and NOT available on the civilian market as far as i am aware.
    therefore good combo would be

    supressed ak47 [7.62×39] / g36e [5.56×45] (~300$/2000$) (supressors vary from 300-500 but hey, if you dont need ear protection….)

    dragunov sniper rifle [7.62×51] / arctic warefare supressed [7.62×51] (~700$/up to 8000$ based on attachments)
    aws is the same design as the awp (not to be confused with l96) but has full supressed barrel, dragunov is cheap and reliable.

    if you can find one, the best sniper would me a german dsr1, because it is just short of 1 metre, has bullpup design and has been called “the most accurate rifle in the world” also it has a spot to put a second mag for storing/quick ammo type change. it is chambered in
    300 win mag/ 308 win/ 338 lapua mag. problem is apparently production stopped and now they are 10 grand or more

    other things may include heavy weapons like grenade launchers (2000$-8000$) (explosive licens required in US to use ammunition)

    i am not goung to go into pistols except to say that they are a must… just not .22 calibre, as it is so horrible, unless you can accuratly fut 5+ rounds in a 3 inch radius arount a zombies eyes/nose…
    my dad’s friend was a cab driver and was car jacked, the man shot him point blank in the twice, one gave him a concussion the other ricoched off of his skull

    • I used to say the same thing about .22LR weapons. I used to say they were pointless and wouldnt penetrate a zombies skull. But the guy your talking about (the cab driver), most likely had been shot with Hollow Points. Those bounce off real easily, but the round noses, could very well penetrate a skull. Now it wont at a long range, but its good for close range, and also they would be good for human threats. Also, the first bullet may not penetrate the zombies skull, but it will weaken and crack it and the 2nd, maybe 3rd bullet will hit the brain. Plus, a .22lr is better then nothing, and you can easily carry 5000 rounds, no problem, so The .22LR Pros very well outweigh the cons. Just make sure you dont get Hollow point rounds cause they are less likely to penetrate the skull. Also, try getting the 60 grain Subsonic .22LR rounds, they are alot more powerful then the standard 36 and 40gr rounds.

  81. Personally I think some of the best weapons would be a nice 9mm high point carbine. It shoots pistol ammo it is lightweight and this rifle is extremely accurate and I am sure I can hit a persons head up to 100 yards easily. this gun i paid 250 bucks for and is extremely reliable and I had no problems with it and I enjoy maintaining it. I would recommend this gun to anyone who wants to prepare if the zombies ever attack.

  82. But something you all are missing is you’re granting you can get out and find these weapons/supplies. Assess what you have in your house/car and go with that for your weapons. Im looking at a Springfield 1943, M1A1 carbine, and an assortment of other rifles some with scopes, shotguns of assorted gauges, and a couple .357 and .44 magnums, and multiple Bowie knifes for Close Quarter. and an ammo reloading station which would help me out greatly

  83. Personally, Give me a 9mm pistol, like what the cops use and I’d be fine. Plenty of ammo floating around out there from cops, stores, everywhere.

    Lightweight, good aim, if you have ammo and gun jams just find a zombie cop and hit him on the head to get a new one.

    Melee weapon: something lightweight and durable. Knives dull with each cut and stab so no sharp object. A spear-like object maybe, just so I have medium range, including throwing it. I’d prefer a blunt weapon that could reach out far. Like a hockey stick, golf club, etc.

    If I wanted to go all “badass” on the undead then I’d just have claymores… lots and lots of claymores. Set them up randomly around the city and wait on the rooftop with the 9mm and a sniper rifle of some sort. When you hear an explosion laugh maniacally as you snipe and save people.

    • Firstly i doubt you could crack a skull and destroy the require part of the brain with a hockey stick before it breaks or the zed your beating gets you. Secondly the “badass” approach is what will most likly kill the majority of people during the first weeks of the outbreak: 1. Leaving LOTS AND LOTS of claymore may just end up killing people instead of zombies, going on unkown information to me, unless that thing blows there brain apart you’re just going to make a crawling zombie that will get you when your least expecting it. 2. A Claymore and makes LOTS of noise, last thing you want is noise especially in a city (why on earth you want to camp there i dont know) is a bad idea. 3. WHERE THE HELL are you going to get that many explosives and the expertise to set them up without blowing your upper torso off.

      I think we need to considure several factors for the “best weapons”. One is defiently the ability to obtain the weapon and the required ammo both before and after hell breaks loose. Another is the ability of a AVERAGE person to wield the weapon effectivly: maintanece, accuracy, reload time, phyical and mental effects on the person.

      I mean the guy who’s got the big ass gun and has no f-ing clue what it really is to fire the gun outside of a COD game is going to be as much danger to US as to the zeds are when he thinks he’s the shit and goes Rambo on everything.

  84. I understand what your saying about the brain being damaged and still being able to function, But that’s in a living person.
    In a Zombie I was always under the impression that just damaging the Brain would be enough to put it down.

    This sounds like a Great Topic, I would like to hear what people think about this.
    I wonder if we could present the question on this thread?

  85. you dont have to hit a nasal cavity. a .22 lr round has enough power to enter a skull and shred the brain with minimal recoil. a ruger 10-22 can accurately hit a moving target (in the hands of an experienced user) at 100 yards. you can also get collapsible stocks and high capacity magazines

  86. OK! You guy’s are killing me!! A .22 cal rifle is not going to save you!! I don’t care how much the ammo weighs or how readily available it may be …..Bottom line is…. .22’s Lack Punch!!!! Sure it’ll blow holes in Beer cans or even take out Squirrel Zombies but leave the .22 at the farm.

    As far as aiming at the nasal cavity and the mandible…Seriously!!!??? If you Duct tape the Zombie to a chair and ask him not to move his head, Then you can take that shot!!! But out of Breath , Confused and lets admit a little Freaked Out…..That Shot’s not going to happen.

    And the guy who thinks he’s going to survive swinging a Sword, Crowbar or Frying pan is only going to die Tired!!

    If you want to live? Be prepared!!! Have at least two rifles of the same caliber, a couple thousand rounds of ammo, Plenty of Magazines. Your weapons should be in Caliber 5.7 or 9mm and up.

    Remember it’s about the head shots so Practice! Practice! Practice! don’t wait until the Zombies come then open-up your owners manual and start reading how to load your new weapon!

    The key to survival is to have a place to hold out. So if your planning to make it to your buddy’s house in the sticks a Cottage on an island or Turn your home into the Alamo…..Oops! bad reference, Then remember You need enough Ammo, Food, Water and a great Plan that you can change at a moments notice to make it all happen.

    • I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. It’s my opinion and that of many others, that if you want to shut down a zombie, you have to at least destroy the brain stem. If living humans can survive severe injury to the frontal lobe, or left and right hemispheres of the brain, then I would think a zombie can too. I think that at least some of us have seen the video of the individual in his truck who removed at least 80% of his head, with the help Of a 12 gauge shotgun, and his heart and lungs nervous system still basically functioned until he bled out. Removing anything above or infrint of the ears is just icing on the cake. I can easily hit, with at least 90 percent accuracy during rapid fire (at least two rounds a second), a 6 inch square target at 75 yards with a long-gun. That fairly represents the area of the front of the head that I would aim for. Factor in the stress and the aquistion of numerous targets, you can bump that down to about 40%, maybe a little less. That accuracy is about the best that a person can hope for in a high stress medium range engagement situation, for example, most officer involved shootings average far less (15%-20%.) this is why I appreciate the light weight and hung portability of the .22lr.

      I do agree with crazyhed991 about having a place to hold out. That would be the perfect place for your higher power rifles with heavier ammo. Take the zeds out at long range and keep the stench away from your living quarters. But if you’re on the move, you need to think about weight, ammo capacity and even noise.

      With all that being said. The best gun during z-day, is the one you have. What if you can’t make it home for some reason? What will you have to survive?

      My Sig p226r in .40 and my DiamondBack.380 back up gun will hopefully get me to my car, where a Romanian, folding stock, AK “michigan pistol” is waiting. Hopefully that can get me home, but if not, I have the essentials already in my Bug out Bag, in my trunk. If you dont have a BoB in your trunk, you need one.

    • Thank you Crazyhed. you are one of the few people who understand about .22s being a poor choice for primary weapon. It can be a good choice as a secondary (e.g. human threats, hunting) but that .22 bullet isnt always garaunteed to penetrate a human skull. Ive said this before, i personally know people whove been shot nearly point blank and still survived with no skull penetration and only have a massive scar to show for it. I mean, seriously, there was even a lady on the news whos boyfriend shot her in the head with a .22 and the damn bullet got tangled in the ladys weave!!!! didnt even break skin!!!!!! dont take a chance with a .22 guys, like crazyhed said, under the conditions youll be in (lack of sleep, hungry, dehydrated, shaky, scared) it will be hard to hit a zombie in the right spot for a .22 to actually make a kill. Professional hitmen use .22 pistols because theyre quiet but they also know how and where to shoot (behind the ear, base of skull). Im tired of people thinking that a .22 is the best zombie defense weapon

    • I think if you can pop a squirrel running in the tree tops, hitting a foot shuffling zombie in the face aint gonna be a problem.

      • Yea but your also not fatigued, scared, shaky, hungry, thirsty, tired, and possibly delirious when your shooting squirrels. You have to think of the conditions you will be facing in the Z-Poc Josh. Not to mention the .22 might very well not penetrate the skull and hit the brain.

      • Woo Hoo! Come on hunting trips with us!!! You’ll be so hung over you gotta take shots while you dry heave! You gotta shoot something or else you don’t eat!

  87. not everyone is well trained enough to make that shot.

  88. people please… iv read a lot of your comments and most of them are complete idiocy. YOU take a big fancy automatic firearm with all its fancy attachments and run charging into the nearest group of zombies on Z-day. You’re likely not going to kill anything except yourself. Stress of battle/being eaten, no expertise in the firearm, and three magazines of ammo (you cant carry any more). Brilliant. O, and melee weapons are a joke. If you’re insane enough to go within arms reach of a zombie, be my guest. That stuff is LAST RESORT and should be reserved to a hunting knife in your boot (though i admit a crowbar or wakisashi
    is appealing).

    My weapons of choice:
    PRIMARY: zombies have one major weakness over the living. they’re SLOW. You can run a quarter of a mile, tun around, and put crossbow bolts in between glazed zombie eyes for a minute, then repeat the process. TAC-15 crossbow or something like it. Silent, long range and accuracy, and good crossbows can be found at your nearest Sports Authority along with LOTS of bolts, which are lightweight, for around 800 bucks.

    SECONDARY: Inevitably the living dead will get closer to you, especially in an urban environment. I like what people have said about the Saiga-12k shotgun, .410. i love the four ten because it is so light for a shotgun round, and this gun, again, will be kind of easy to find, easy to maintain, and easier still to fire, even if you’re like me and have little experience firing shotguns and rifles.

    These of course are factoring in cost and maintainability. But with carte banche i would easy buy an M1a2
    tank. Zombie roadkill… 🙂

  89. I took one look at the LCW and burst out laughing. I’d never use something that overblown and complex in any combat situation never mind a zombie apocalypse.

  90. I have an AR-10 in .308 with a nice Leupold 4×12 scope, a lightweight bolt action in .30-06 with a Bushnell 3×9, A Marlin lever action in 30-30 with iron sights, a S &W Sigma in .40, and a replica 1897 Trench Gun in 12 gauge. I would take the Trench Gun simply to get out of town, and re-evaluate keeping it once I’m away from the population. But once I was out on my own, I’d carry the lever action in 30-30 and have my pistol as back up. 30-30 is probably the most common cartridge you’ll find in BFE America. I don’t have any grand plans of raiding a military base or police station to get any .223 or .308 because everybody else has thought of that (including the military). The most important thing though is I’m extremely confident in my abilities with the lever action and it doesn’t have a scope to get smashesd, losing the ability to effectively engage targets and more importantly hunt for meat.

    • I forgot to mention that carrying a lever action around would make me seem like less of a threat than someone walking around with a Military style weapon, especially when it comes to having contact with other survivors.

  91. Specops Samurai

    I’d go with either a .223 ar-15 or the .308 ar-15 either round can easily be found in sporting good stores. Second i agree with the mossberg shotgun, and 100 buck in mods can increase capisity and accuracy. finally forget the idea of using something like a desert eagle or .357 they have massive amounts of recoil and ammo is not very common. go with a nice .22lr or 9mm, if you can get .45 then even better. and stockpile ammunition you never know when you can get more supplies. For when things get extremely close, dont skip out and buy or “aquire” cheap bladed weapons.( Almost any katana or boardsword you get for under 200 bucks.) keep your weapons in the best condition you can, and always keep your clips filled.

  92. AK-47, Desert Eagle, 12 inch hunting knife.

  93. all id need is a bolt action 22 hunting rifle, easy maintnence and ammo availability,
    for a pistol, id take an old 357 revover, few parts, and a fairly decent amout of stopping power cuz you wont just have to worry about a zombie, you have to worrie about other surviors as well
    for a melle, just a crowbar, good against the undead, lihtweight, and endless alterative uses

    • a .22 will not penetrate a human/zombie skull. i have said this many times to other people. im not bashing you or anything, this is not an insult but advice. much respect

      • and i know this because i know people who have been shot nearly point blank to the head wiht a 22 and only have a gnarly scar but were not killed.

      • I actually know 2 people who have been shot with a .22, one is dead and the other is brain damaged.

      • I agree, Josh. I know that they will sure as hell penetrate a cow skull which is, on average, twice a thick as a human skull. And that’s with a 5″ barreled revolver.

        The other issue worth mentioning, is that Brandon is making a blanket statement here. Saying that 22lr can’t penetrate a human skull. 22lr from a 5″ inch barrel, and 22lr from a 16″-24″ barrel are two vastly different concepts.

      • yea well i also know people who have survived, and im not saying that it will NEVER penetrate a human skull. but why take the chance of not penetrating the skull EVERYTIME? im not saying to not carry a .22 weapon, i think they are avery good choice due to the price and weight of ammo, but what im trying to say is that your PRIMARY weapon shouldnt be a .22, but as a backup weapon

      • One of the other things to keep in mind is that you’re not aiming for the forehead, you’re aiming between the nasal cavity and the mandible, behind that area is where the brain stem is located, and that is what you seek to destroy.

      • We’ve done some serious meat harvesting over the years, and the only time a .22 didn’t drop a cow/hog/goat was when someone missed. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t wade into a sea of undead with a .22, but the fact is, they are cheap, they are acurate, easy to find, easy to shoot. Mine holds 18 shots without a mag, and fires just as fast as you can pull the trigger. I shoot the thing all day every day, and there is no soreness anywhere. Sure I’d have more than just my little .22, but it would still be my “go to” and I wouldn’t leave the house without it. Shit! Arrows cost more than a box of .22s, try packin 500 arrows around, and be stealthy about it.

  94. In that situation, i would prefer a 5.56/2.23 NATO converted AK-47.

    Even though i would much rather have an M-14 or M-4/CAR-15, i want a weapon that i can keep it well fed and make sure it can still spit brass through almost anything.

  95. I have a Lee Enfeild SMLE rifle, plus a shield, axe, long knife & short spear (reenactor of both WW2 & 12th Cent. <D) so I'm sorted for both short and long ranged combat in the event of zombies rising. That and I have a current issue gas mask to prevent airbourne pathogens, full combat fatigues & if all else fails, a boat license holding freind who can run me to Ireland in the event of a real issue 🙂

  96. If I was on the move I would take a detachable magazine fed .22lr rifle. If possible it would also be suppressed/silenced. I would bring several high capacity magazines too. The .22lr has plenty of power to pierce the human skull effectively. It is also very light, as is the ammo and is stealthy. Recoil is also minimal allowing for fast, accurate shooting. Perfect for popping zombie heads. Cleaning is easy too, because the .22 has less propellant than most other rounds. My next choice would probably be an AK 7.62×39 platform. This is mostly because I am familiar with it and because it is very reliable, requiring little cleaning. It also has plenty of power. Noise and accuracy are problematic however.

    • actually a .22 DOES NOT penetrate a human skull. i personally know people who have been shot almost point blank in the head with one and survived with only having a massive scar on their head but survived. There was even a lady on TV who had been shot by her boyfriend with a .22 and the fucking bullet got tangled up in her weave and didnt even break skin LOL. So, again, im not trying to be a dick or bash on you im just trying to give sum advice on the .22 issue. but it would definitely make a great sidearm for other purposes like human threats or hunting for food. just as a mian weapon, not so much

      • im not trying to be a dick either, but I believe the Mob has been using 22 LR’s for executions for decades. And they seem to get the job done. I don’t doubt that a poorly places round, or a glancing shot may ride under the skin and then exit. But my guess it the the events your talking about happened with a .25 ACP, which I have heard many stories like the ones you listed, not a 22LR.

  97. Top three-

    Taking the hint from zprepared, i’d go with a high-capacity, high-fire rate 22. the “stupid” ammo amount helps quite a bit, and since you’re not trying to blast through- rather just inside- a human skull, a 22 has plenty of power for that at a decent range. with a rifle, you’re good at a pretty high range, too- it’s not an assassination mission, it’s kill to live. zombies can’t hurt you at 1000 yards.

    another 22, or maybe a gun that can handle different types of ammo without misfire or jam. higher capacity magazines are almost always possible with 22’s, and there’s no point to carrying two types of ammo and giving yourself a chance to run out for your favorite gun when this caliber is all you need.

    Melee: I could roll with anything here… an alum bat is ideal, but i’d prefer to have a small metal shield- captain america style. you could possibly sharpen the edges of the shield, but going linebacker through a small crowd of zed might be the only way out and you can’t do that with your arms out front. it’s also a great blunt weapon if you turn it and swing.

  98. Primary weapon, AR-15, SBR, with a Silencer. 8 30 round mags, Holo Sight for short and medium range.
    Side arm, BERETTA 92-FS , 9mm with a CTC Laser sight and 6 mags in a drop leg holster.

    Also a good Primary weapon to pair up with the Beretta 92-FS is the beretta CX-4 Storm in 9mm. They both use the same mags so no matter what you have ammo for the rifle even if you run out of 20 or 30 round mags from your CX-4 Storm you can use your pistols 15 round mags in a pinch.
    Remember it’s all about the head shots so you want your rifle in the fight as long as it can be.

    • ive seen berettas jam too many times for them to be at the top of my list for sidearms. il admit the ones i saw jam probably werent maintained properly but if it cant stand up to abuse then it shouldnt be used in that type of application. i believe guns should always be cleaned after shooting, but that they should still be able to function whether you do or not. id also pick a higher caliber either .40 or .45 but thats just my preference

  99. Wow …

    None of you have ever carried a weapon. Yea I’d love to have a AR with Master key, some lights, lazers, scope, etc… and a 45. But that shit is wayyyy to heavy. Plus not to mention carrying ammo for all weapon systems would make you move at a snails pace. I guarantee none of you could carry all that, I couldn’t! While I love my 870, it stays home. Low mag capacity, heavy ammo, limited range, these cons out weight its CQB pro. AR-15 is the way to go. It light, plenty powerful enough, can carry plenty of ammo and the 556 is probably the easiest round in the world to find. Pistol, Either a glock 19(9mm) or Ruger MKIII. Im hesitant of a .22 for you might meet people non-zombie people who are not friendly, but I do like how you can carry stupid amounts of ammo for it. Get an Aimpoint T-1 or H-1 or the AR. 50,000 hours of use of a single battery(thats 5+ years of always being on) You don’t need to snipe zombies, Evade till you need to shoot them. Regulated LED light for night. Keep the weight down where ever you can, OZ matter esp when you have to huck this stuff. Maybe a collapsible baton for when you run out of ammo? 5.56 and 9mm are probably the most common calibers and on the lighter side of whats been suggested. If you cant find extra ammo your probably boned anywho.

    AR-15, Aimpoint H-1 or T-1, Simple LED light.
    Extra ammo / mags
    collapsible baton?


  100. Personally, give me FN P-90, as seen on the Stargate series. A very good short range “Personal Defense Weapon” (PDW), carries a clip with 50 rounds, can empty a full 900 rounds in a minute, and has excellent short to mid range accuracy (~200 yards), with single fire or full auto settings, an extended barrel attachment, and plenty of places for attachments such as flashlights, scopes, etc. It can even be fired at full auto single handedly emptying the clip and maintaining moderate accuracy if needed. Thus, it fills the need for a pistol and full machine gun for crowd control.

    My secondary weapon would definitely need to be a rifle of some kind for long range targeting, but I haven’t studied them too closely. Preferences include something with a scope mount and if possible, a silencer. I’d like to be able to take out small groups moving at distance without the reports drawing a horde.

  101. my weapon of choice would have to be a 5 foot piece of doweling with a schimtar on one or both ends……..along with a grenade belt if i get bitten.

  102. they are pretty stupid guns to choose as a top 3. They are good guns and would certainly come in handy in many situations but there is other factors to think about.. not just anyone can go pick those things up.. i live in Australia and with out gun regulations and all.. i only have access to a hunting rifle.. also not sure about you guys but even if i could get one of these at a gun store.. i dont have $1000+ to spend to get one as a supply.
    once again good choices but i think he should of chosen ones that would be easier for the somebody to go get like a common firearm at your local police station

  103. I dont care what the hell I got as long as it keeps me alive and continues to keep me alive without breaking up or failing. Maybe just a nice sharp shovel would do the job

  104. Well in a SHTF Zombie outbreak i suppose my weapon setup would be.

    Main Rifle= Imbel receiver based FAL with 7 20 round mags. ACOG scope. 308 battle rifle.
    or a SKS with SGworks bullpup kit. with 4 20 round mags with Holo sight.
    or a Mac90 / AK47 sporter with 2 20 round mags.

    But prolly the FAL.

    Main pistol= Norinco model 213 , 5 8 round mags. 9mm pistol.

    Backup Pistol/SBR= browning buckmaster with tactical stock, Holo sight, custom front grip.

    5 extra loaded mags, plus a 550 rd brick worth in the pack.

    as for a melee weapon. im sure if im that close and out of ammo. 6 rounds of 44 blackpowder lead better work.

    Great Thing about this loadout is if it happens Tommorow…….im ready.

  105. I’m wondering what ZRS Staff has to say about potential laser weapons. I was reading an article about this class IV laser gun. Technically, it is supposed to be for constructive stuff, like cutting and experiments and stuff. The shape is like a freaking gun! It says the power cell can pull off 120-150 shots on full blast. I’m just thinking, god, I wonder what would happen if i shot this thing at a zombie. Oh, and by the way I’m pretty sure it takes AA’s. Quite a few, I’m sure, but wouldnt it be worth considering? Ammunition would become energy, rather than bullets. And it’s probably a lot more accurate than regular guns. With some modifications, it could be pretty useful. I don’t know what the range is on it though. Purchasing it completed costs around $2,500, so it’s costly. Oh, and another thing. IT’S LEGAL IN THE U.S. So what do you think?

  106. here in the UK we don’t have a wide variety of weapons, but alot of gun crime using banned firearms such as MGs Pistols and other weapons, I myself live in a neighbourhood where people are old so might have old weapons like a .357 revolvers as war memorabilia although they might need cleaning, that shouldn’t be a problem, now, enough of me blabbering on, my best weapons.

    Main: FN-FAL with masterkey and suppressor, (I know suppressors are hard to find but. i know a shop near my dad’s that has them :))

    Sidearm: a .357 revolver, slow to reload, large stopping power.

    melee: shovel, useful for burying your dead friends and good for crackin’ skulls

  107. Nice choices. Now I’m stuck for choice

  108. I doubt the …. legitimacy of the rifle pictured. For example, the attachment at the bottom of the rife is a cut off MP5, with a useless clip, and a sharp arrowtipped rod on the end. The arrow launcher attached seems to have no barrel, and the rifle would likely be too heavy to effectively fire.

    • Agreed – the photos aren’t always intended to be accurate, but instead enhance the theme of the article.

    • your right, it looks like someone photo shopped an over the top m16 type looking gun with a freaky arrow holder, and a harpoon gun, with another machine gun. i mean, come on, 2 fully automatic weapons on 1 gun? that sounds like a stupid Nerf gun…

  109. Forgot to add, it’s quite pricey. But an idea

  110. I say use an arrow rifle, silent and deadly and accurate. It’s better because it doesn’t make noise, which will be your death bed if you are firing unsilenced. The first choice I definitely agree on, in the zombie survival guide it said a crossbow would be useful but slow to reload, and if you have the silent kill of a crossbow but the rapid fire of a rifle you’ll survive. http://www.swivelmachine.com/html/rimfire.htm

  111. Ok, the average accuracy for a trained police officer in a combat situation is about 30%, so unless you are Delta or SAS, trained in the double tap, put the handguns and rifles away. If you want to do maximum damage with minimum requirement for accuracy, you want to go shotgun. And, yes, I realize they are near impossible to find, the ultimate is the AA-12, 30 round drum down range in under a minute. As far as a back up, yeah, the kukri is nice, but why not step up your game to a falcata, basically a kukri on steroid. Again, I know the availability of these weapons is problematic, but we are talking our ultimate wish list. Gimme an AA-12 and a falcata, and I’m really not worrying about ANY zombies.

  112. I can’t believe that no one has mentioned the Springfield Armory XD(M) series of hand guns! With one round in the pipe you get 14 .45’s or 20 9mm.’s! And with the composite frame (w/steel rails) the recoil is almost nil! I do agree with the many who have chosen the 870 for a shotgun (with a tactical stock). I’m opting for either a Ruger Mini-14 or a Colt AR-15, though an AK is also a good choice. And please don’t disregard the .22 long rifle- all the round has to do is penetrate and ricochet around a bit and PRESTO- Zbrain smoothie! For that I chose the Ruger 10/22 with a Blackhawk stock. Also will have an SOG F01T Tactical Tomahawk, Ka-Bar Kukri Machete, Ka-Bar 2-1245-1 Tanto and a CRKT A.G. Russell Sting.

  113. another good choice would be, if you had a safehouse (mine has a 3500 ft2 upstairs with one stairway that could easily be destroyed and replaced with a rope ladder), to basically sit tight to conserve ammo, but when the zombies did close in on you, you would have some large caliber weapons with a large ammo supply and ample food. the roof of my front porch is really big and has no slant, so i could grow corn on it and access it from the windows. also a good fire platform.

  114. simple fact, if you dont have a weapon on zday one, you will on zday two. Since most of the weapons found will be from people debating what weapon to have on hand.

    Simple fact, 22lr weapons are low recoil, low muzzle rise and accurate and simple to shoot.

    have your pick of exotic weapons on zday two.

  115. choosing your weapons all depends on your situation. if we are talking immediate defense in the first days, roger ma said it best “the best weapon for defense is the one you have” since i am not carry every firearm on the planet every day, i will have to stick to my spring-loaded folding knife and whatever is available until i get back to base (AKA Home).
    At home i have a mini Ruger 14, under/over double barrel 12g, and a 17cal lever action (not real effective against zeds but good for target shooting and hunting small game for food). i have no pistols yet but i am looking at a 9mm and .22 (once things go south i would modify them to be silent).
    when on the road i would carry the 12g cut-down and the silenced pistol, if i need any more power than that i am already screwed.

    for those keeping track, that is a .223, 9mm, 12g, .22, and .17cal. notice how the first three are all very common in both law enforcement and military. so finding ammo should not be too difficult.

    as for melee weapons besides the flip-out job in the beginning (note: more of a tool than weapon) i have a good Tonto knuckle knife in a good shoulder cross draw sheath. if i need to deal with any thing more than a simple encounter i will grab the irons out of the car (for the non-firefighters out there, irons = Ax + Halligan tool)

    PS. leave your ammo is easy spots to get, i don’t want to waste a lot of time searching your dead body, JK

  116. Seriously has anyone considered the availabilty of some of these friearms?? I live in canada and the accessability of some of these weapons requires special permits….assault rifles really?? Just the propensity to expend large amounts of ammunition alone is enough for me to say hells no,cause really most of us average guys would resort to the “spray and pray” method rendering any stopping power useless. Why not go for something of the semi auto variety? Me personally i own a Lee Enfield MkI bolt action rifle, plenty of stopping power, ample ammunition with the area being largely comprised of hunters with a lot of .303 ammo. As for pistols, its largely a last option weapon, i figure something light that holds a lot of ammuntion….like a glock which now chambers a .45 round . As for hand to hand why not a flanged mace?? You can pick one up at most any custom knife shops that deals in fantasy and medievil weaponry, hell you can build one in metal shop!! But honestly when in doubt read the “Zombie Survival Guide” a lot of the points made in that book make sense.

    • Too many people play “Call of Duty” and games like that! They
      see all these guns, and just assume that they are everywhere. They also have no idea about how these guns shoot, because pushing a button and really shooting a big gun are two very different things. People keep talking about “choosing” guns!?! The only gun you’ll be able to choose, will be the one in you closet or the one one the dead guy you trip over while running out the door.

      • Yep, it may be an old piece of sh@t or an exotic piece of sh@t. Mental conditioning, tactics,and skill with a fiream are more important than choice of weapon(s) and loads. A skilled person with a single shot .22 has a better chance of survival than a novice with an AK 47. A firearm is a tool, an inanimate object which relies on the skill of the person using it to make it useful. Spraying and praying will get a person killed.

        • This person speaks volumes of wisdom! Please go and learn how to shoot from some one who has REALLY been there and don that.

  117. i say a g3 battle rifle is the wayto go for a rifle coming in 20 30 or 50 round mags with a 7.62x39mm round cheep rifle 400 for semiversion 800 for auto and being mostlymetal and bayonet compatable its a good all poupus rifle pistol a makorov 9mm 8or 12 rounds reliable efecent acurate almost never jams and at 200 is a good deal siaga 20k fior shotguns semimag fed its good foranyone and up close nothingcoms closeto a broad sword

    • Heavy Metal Cowboy

      wow, truly inspiring. i would love to meet the guy that can carry a broad sword around while having to fight off zombies that think your face looks pretty tasty.

  118. Heavy Metal Cowboy

    Wow. Everyone is making this way too hard!

    Rifle – short carbine, for me its going to be my HIPoint 9mm assault rifle
    Shotgun – mossberg streetsweeper (not sure of the model, sorry)
    Pistol – tough choice, Taurus Judge can shoot .410 (up to 3in) or .45 ammo
    – a 9mm pistol would take the same ammo as my rifle though
    melee – crowbar (can be used to open doors and such as well as bash a zombies head)

    the point is not to go out hard and fast with your guns blazing. you have to play it smart. remember how much ammo your going to have to carry. you also need to realize what firearm to use in what situation. there is actually almost no situation where a shotgun is going to be of use against a zombie unless your using slugs or cut shotshells.

    • I have the HiPoint 9mm carbine as well and it’s a simple solution, cost-effective ($250 avg US price), decent capacity (15 round mags), and 9mm ammo is in abundance. It’s not as accurate as my SKS (20 round, 7.62×39) but it’s faster to load and lighter to carry, so it’s a push in my book. If I need to snipe some leg-draggers my Nagant 5rd bolt 7.62x54R will work just nicely. And in sticking with the common .22LR theme, my Ruger 10/22 with the 25 round magazine is a no-brainer, especially shooting the 60gr subsonic rounds. It sounds like a moth farting when you fire it, and we all know silence is golden when dealing with a swarming horde.

      Shotgun – Saiga 12 with 10 round mags (the 20 round drums tend to get spring issues, especially in damp areas like WA where I live). This is a brutal Russian-made tactical shotgun, semi-auto, and can do some serious damage in a short period of time. I highly recommend it.

      Pistol – my FNP45 does the trick nicely. 15+1 at 230gr, a big fat slow bullet designed to demolish anything in front of it.

      Melee – after playing L4D2 so much, I’m favoring the Fender Strat 🙂 Just because the twang it makes on a clean headshot is music to my ears….

  119. Mudpit-The Badass Zombie Killer

    I tend to agree with the expert, John Snow, but with a few changes. The AR15 is a great choice, however the attached arrow gun is ridiculous. The Remington 870 is the best and most reliable shotgun in the world. However, carrying two long rifles is cumbersome and it is difficult to switch from shotgun to rifle and back again. This is why having a ‘Masterkey’ system is important. A Masterkey system is basically a sawed off 870 mounted under the AR15. Mounting a flashlight and a laser sight will be very useful. The AR15 should have a floating barrel and an offset scope so you can still use the iron sights. 00 Buckshot and .50 caliber Sabots are the two types of shotgun shells that you should use. Your ratio of buckshot to sabots should be 75% and 25% respectively.
    As far of the best handgun, the Glock 21 is a very reliable, easy to use, accurate, and high capacity .45 caliber pistol. You should replace the slide rail with a laser sight for about $300. Also, you should have a backup Glock 30. The Glock 30 is smaller than the 21, but uses the same .45 round, can accept the 21’s 13 round magazines, and has surprisingly little recoil for it’s size and caliber. Keep this in a holster in the back of your pants.
    Your last resort handgun is a .45 caliber Derringer. This would be in your boot.
    Keep a Spyderco Delica knife in your other boot.
    The best hand weapon is a PR24 expandable baton, best know an a police night stick. They have more hitting power than a baseball bat, they need little training to properly use, and the are compacted so it easily packed on your belt.
    That is my take

    • A Masterkey would be better use at CQB, the masterkey fires a tungsten slug that knocks the lock into the lockers side. so it then can be kicked in. Best combo =

      Bennelli M3T
      Px4 Storm

  120. Rife: Ak-47/Famas/m4A1/ Any hunting rife Preferably the Ak.
    Pistol: Revolver/Desert Eagle/ Any fast shooting pistol
    Shotgun: Double Barrel/Saiga/AA-12
    Melee Weapon: Crowbar/Baseball Bat/Machete/really anything that can break a zombies skull would do.

    I would probably also buy a military belt and straps to attach the gun to my back. Also i would buy extra ammunition, although ill try to keep to using the guns only when i have to. Really i wouldnt care what my melee weapon would be as long as it can break the head of a zombie pretty easily, although i think i prefer the crowbar.

  121. i have a remington 870, winchester bolt action 30-06 with scope, a h and k usp 45 and a bush master 762 carbine, and a milatray grade machete how good is my equitment?

  122. Handgun: Glock 19/23, Sig Sauer p229, HK USP or 1911.
    Shotgun: Remington 870, Mossberg 500/590, or Benelli M4.
    Rifle: AR 15, AK47, FAL, or M1A
    Knife: KA-BAR

    Plenty of mags and ammo.

    Pick any of these combos and you’ll certainly be in good company!

    • its not modernwarfare 2. Why the ka-bar most of then are serrated on the top. the m4 is a good choice and i would go with browning hipower it is better that sig pp26 and the glocks i have a 1911 so i cant complain.

  123. Wow. That does blow AFliss. I guess I’m a bit spoiled here in southern Ohio. They let us rednecks have pretty much anything.
    P.S. I’ve been through some fairly impressive gun shops and have yet to see a real live Saiga. What part of the country do you do your shopping in Molotov?

    • I’m in south east Michigan. About 20 minutes from Detroit. Even most pawn shops carry them around here. Saigas are growing in popularity. Sport shooting is really helping. They’re really good for three gun matches (pistol,rifle,shotgun) because they’re easy to re-load and high capacity. They’re also coming way down in price, and easier to convert to the “military” configuration, like with a vertical pistol grip, instead of the traditional horizontal shotgun style stock, due to the release of more USA made aftermarket parts. Due to Saigas being Russian firearms, you cant just start replacing parts. You have to make sure you stay 922R compliant. USA made parts are required for that.

      • BTW, Afliss.
        I feel badly for you. Hopefully one day NJ’s firearm act will reach it’s expiration without being re-enacted, or you’ll move away from that place. Good luck.

      • I have no doubt that the saiga s12 is the best shot gun you can get for putting down hostiles up close. But in WWZ, if you’re on the move, a shotgun is a poor choice though a great backup when your small bore semi-auto is out of ammo. With a simple chest rig I can carry 6 mags of 30rds each, then 30 in the AR and another pair of 30’s in their kydex mag holster on the belt.

        Eric is delusional thinking the 5.56 is underpowered, and like you said Molotov, that 3200-2700fps brain blending round is good out to 105 yards (55gr FMJ out a 16″ barrel) for that beautiful hydrostatic shock effect that’ll blow brain mush all over the place! The best a Saiga (or any shotgun) will do at 105 yards is hit that broad side of the barn with truly underpowered 32 caliber bbs…not that I’d want to get hit with them, unless I was a highly motivated and brain-driven undead shambler!

  124. I’d go with a shotgun.
    12 gauge ammo @ Walmart, Dick’s, dead redneck’s home, abandoned police cars/stations everywhere ammo can be found there will be 12 gauge available. Not just any shotgun, but a Mossberg is a must have regardless of your choice of firearm. In my case I have the Mossberg 500 roadblocker. I know the gay muzzle break makes it look like a prop, but it’s functional. Low recoil + low recoil Federal shot, I can one hand targets on-the-fly and I’m only a buck 150. The pistol grip makes it efficiently tactical, and if you’re surgical with it, then it’s a guaranteed body dropper hands down.
    In addition to that, I’d go with a double bladed machete (or comparable), .45 cal handgun, AK for run-n-gun/ AR for point-n-click, and last but definitely not least; a Barrett M82A1 for guess that famous person on a roof top, and just because I’m sick sadistic twisted overkillin a$$hole.

    • Okay i’ve been reading this and I guess you haven’t really consider many different things. Do you have a vehicle? How much ammo. People with you that changes everything.
      Are you lone wolf in a city, the woods or what. I mean that changes a lot of what you’d be carrying around.
      I have a dpms 16 flattop with a lighted aim point and flip up sights. A Hk .40 Usp. And a 870 express magnum with a 18 inch barrel and barrel choke extender to allow 6 plus one in the chamber.
      But who gives a shit if those guns are at home when shit gets wack…

      I think a safe house with elevation, food water are the biggest concern. No water for 5 days and your fucked walking and no water u have 3 days if that. This gun talk is sorta stupid as long as u have magazines and a shitloads of rounds who gives a crap what gun you have. Why would you be moving in the open anyways? Seems stupid and risky. Need a nice rifle for popping them from a distance. Hand to hand your dead. Cut someone with a sword there is blood everywhere. Contamination your screwed. Make it to winter then move north find a warm place where it’s freezing cold for months. Further away from people u get less likely they are infected. Aka places with the lower people per square mile. Anyone one can shoot a gun. But if you survive can you plant your own food? Gut your own meat? Preserve food? Live without electricity if it goes off? How about find clean drinking water. A shitload of people die every year just because of that. Without a zombie apocalypse. Fuel is screwed after sitting for a year unless its stabilized. Buy a hazmat suit so u can’t be infected from blood splatter. Stock up on medical supplies. Antibiotics, painkillers and vitamins. Horde high calorie food. Seal bags of rice and sugar. A bag of sugar. You go a month on 1000 calories a day you are screwed strength and energy wise. Get a gun doesn’t matter. Anyways my rant is over haha. Ohh and move north plant potatoes and live near a lake with islands…. Islands are a key I think. Plus trees to burn for cooking and heat. Zombie apocolyse happens we are in the dark ages again. Buy some plant books, Medical books, blah okay I’m done peace all.

  125. Molotov is the brains here (better keep them safe from Zed!). As for my load out, if sheltering in place from Z hoards, elevation is key, and diversification of weaponry is essential.

    If on the run, AR15 hands down, with 6 mags as primary, .45 with 4 12rd mags as secondary, and my trusty home made “Z-bar” (a 12oz & 18″ version of the EOD pry bar) as a last resort, no-nonsense head splitter. We all know small caliber weaponry is smartest in terms of load bearing and it gives us the hydrostatic pressure (2700fps+) a decayed cranium needs to end the Z advance. Heck, even a HV 22lr round is fine and very easy to carry. But for that 300 yard reach, zero that AR15 to 25 yards and you’ll be GTG at 300 yards too with no more than 4″ spread inbetween!

    Shotguns are a joke. As seen in all their Hollywood glory, they are too big for close quarters, range is inadequate, and round capacity is just inviting death…especially if the invaders aren’t slow shamblers! Just like the movies, right before the hero’s jugular turns to mince meat, he usually goes through those 8 rounds in 4 seconds and still looks surprised when there’s no more rounds to chamber. Shotguns, even a nice little cruiser with 8 rounds and speed loaders are at best, back-up last resort weapons.

    And for the “e-marines” out there who believe the AR fails with just a little grit obviously haven’t put 500-1000 rounds through theirs in one sitting under high stress and dirty environs -or they got one of those ‘super-saver’ hobby ARs for $600 that are “just as good as” the good variety. Also, shotguns don’t spread the way you all think they do…you do have to aim. Yes the AK is all that and a bag of chips, but if given the choice of loading out 6 mags of 5.56 and 6 mags of 7.62×39..while bearing pistol mags, food, water, etc…I’ll take the 5.56. My Arsenal SGL21 is too heavy, about + 2moa on my AR, and too big for WWZ (but a second choice to an AR platform).

    • 5.56 is just a wimpy round in my opinion. As far as capacity goes for shotguns, you should look into the Russian Saiga. Magazine fed 12 gauge shotgun. Standard mags hold 10 shells, but a 20 shell drum for the 12 gauge can be purchased. That completely invalidates the capacity issue, as you can bear the standard mags fully loaded as you would the AR mags.

      • where the hell are you gonna get your hands on a Saiga? and the 5.56 is actually better for shredding brain cause it tumbles on impact. we arent looking for armor piercing here, just enough to put ’em down for good with minimal weight

      • @A-fliss,
        Just about any gun store that is worth a damn will have Saiga shotguns. Though, I would probably be using an AR for most Zed disposal. A shotgun certainly has it’s place, and the Saiga negates the main drawback, being limited capacity, with 15 round stick magazines, and 20 round drums. The only problem is that the gun, and it’s ammo are very heavy.

      • It’s actually illegal to sell or own a gun with more than a 10 rd mag on .22 5 round on anything larger and 3 1 in shotguns. I’m not sure about pistols, but I don’t think there is s limit on them

      • @ A-fliss
        I don’t know where you’re from, but in the US there are only 8 states that have any kind of limit on magazine capacity.

      • I’m not sure what country you are in AFliss, but here in the United States of America you can peruse a Cabella’s catalog or CheaperThanDirt.com (should be renamed zombieapocalypsesupply.com) and have yourself a pile of 10, 20, 50, and 100 round mags for just about any firearm that is magazine fed. You might not be able to purchase a new firearm with high capacity mags INCLUDED,(not sure if that’s the law or manufacturers preference) but it’s deffinately no problem having them at your doorstep the next day. Hell, I can stop by Wal-Mart in my town and buy 20 round hot lips mags for my 10/22.

      • I’m from Jersey. The laws here DO limit mag capacity. Not gonna lie it blows

      • Not to ruin the convo or anything but who cares about gun laws whenever a zombie apocalypse happens? I’d be going to the nearest gun dealer and grabbing whatever I could.

      • Kodi
        if Its illegal to own the guns, the stores around you aren’t gonna carry them. You can’t grab what isn’t there in the first place

      • Kodi

        Where do you think the owners of said gun dealer are going to be during z-day? more than likely at their place of business either liquidating their own supply to bring to their safe-house, or protecting it from looters.

      • Wrong. Too many people forget that carrying a good basic load isn’t just a mass issue, you also have to consider volume. A 20 rd shell drum takes up a lot of damn room, and to be honest, you’re only going to be carrying ONE backpack, right? Even tacking on butt-pack, day-pack strapped to top of ruck, and enough magazine cases to turn your harness into a chandelier of gear, there’s only so much volume this can all add up to, and even if you have no problem with the mass, there’s still the question of mobility vs. quick access to a reload.

        Don’t forget much of the volume you have will already be filled with the other goodies you need just to survive, even if you luck out and don’t have to shoot anything.

        Consult your local light infantry veteran before including that shotgun.

  126. I own the 870 and the Para. And I’m saving up for an AR15 that shoots the .50 Beowulf round.

  127. I agree 100% on the shotgun being the number one tool needed to survive a so called zombie apocalypse. 12 gauge shotgun shells are made in a wide variety including bolas, razorblades, stainless ball bearings, and even 40ft flame throwing rounds. Also slugs are underated. Hornaday makes a SST shot shell slug with a polyurethane tip when used with a rifle shotgun barrel is rated up to 200 yards. Now that’s rifle range…with a shotgun.

    • The thing about shotguns is that the ammunition and gun itself are quite heavy. The spray gives you a better chance of hitting something, but less accuracy. Frankly, the best firearm in my opinion would be none. A crowbar or hurley stick gives some prtections and can act as a tool without giving you a false sense of security.

  128. A masterkey? Really? You know those are designed for door breaching right? That means the effective range is, well, you hold it against what you want to make go away. Any farther away and it’s just a zombie dinner bell. I mean, with a barrel that short shot is going to spread out to a pattern the size of a small moon in about 1 foot, and hit with the energy of a swarm of gnats. And slug accuracy? Well, one well placed shot would be lucky to hit anything in your field of view. Don’t get me wrong, the masterkey would look badass mounted under an AR-15, but ultimately a death (or undeath) wish. For all practical reasons I would go with a Ruger 10/22 with a backpack full of 20 round mags and a Ruger 22/45 strapped to each hip. I know a lot of folks will say a .22lr round ain’t got what it takes to put a zombie down, but it’ll punch a hole in a skull and bounce around a bit, and thats the main thing. Plus it”s light, ammo is light, fairly quiet (compared to most weapons posted) and you can carry a bag full of spare parts for the rugers. And I guess if I am proved wrong when it hits the fan, one of you can do me right with one of your assult rifles.

    • J-law. a few points about shotguns: your argument about short barrells is well taken. however, i dont think the recommendation was for a “masterkey” but for a stand-alone Rem.870. also…for an untrained marksman, or person of limited skill, a shotgun is a good choice for several reasons.

      Their accuracy at range is quite underrated in simulations, (such as vid-games). For centuries hunters have taken ducks and geese out of the air at fairly long ranges with shotguns. long before the advent of custom chokes. yes…the pattern widens at longer distances, but this is a good thing. to kill a zombie one theoretically need only insert one pellet into the brain. the wider pattern presents a good compensation for lack of marksmanship or lack of good aim under stress. of course, the wider pattern does, as you hinted, mean the intended undead might be missed by all the pellets, but if there is only one of them, wait until it’s closer. they are slow. if they are many, however, perhaps the shot that misses one hits it’s neighbor so a “scatter-gun” is effective for crowd control.

      As for slug accuracy, this too is often underrated. modern shotguns and slugs have the potential to be quite accurate at reasonable ranges. far more accurate than the muskets of antiquity, which killed quite a few sentient folk. most shotguns lack good sites and if one has time to prepare, having a gunsmith mount some iron sights to your scatter gun will greatly increase it’s effectiveness with slugs.

      Matt mentioned the less expensive Mossberg (500). while the expert-recommended Remington 870 is a great shotgun, so is the cheaper Mossberg. furthermore, most mossbergs do not have the spring-loaded feed gate cover which is a great help with speed loading, mid-cycle. im a former law enforcement officer and in the police academy we were taught a very valuabe technique of speed reloading a shotgun before the magazine was empty. carrying spares in the off-hand, (the one that operates the pump), cupped in the palm by cycling the shotgun with the breach open one can slap more shells in quite quickly at any time. doing this ensures the weapon is always loaded. also, if one wished to alternate between slugs and shotshells this technique is helpful. however, it seems most law enforcement agencies use the cheaper mossberg 500, which greatly facilitates this maneuver. i realized the rem.870 feed gate posed a problem while trying to teach my son this technique with the new remington i gave him for his 16th birthday. it can be done, but it is slow and difficult. with the mossberg the reloads almost “fly” up the tube. get the mossberg 500. (heard a rumour its on the short list to be banned by “bammer” so you might want to get it soon.)

      One more nod to Matt: yes, ARs suck. sure…they can be accurate. a former marine corps infantry, expert rifleman and we qualified with the M-16 which is basically an ar-15 with a burst fire option. we also cleaned them…and cleaned them…and cleaned them. they are very susceptible to failure from dirt,carbon fouling, birds farting or anything else. plus…they are about as tough as a wiffle-ball bat. so if you needed to cave in some solanum infected brains it might do for one or two but wont cut it in the long-haul. go for a reliable AK-47 or even better, “the right hand of the free world” the awesome FN-FAL!

      Having fired them both, i prefer the fn-fal. almost entirely made of steel it is possibly the toughest battle-rifle ever made. As reliable as an AK-47 it is chambered in .308 and it is more powerful than an AK-47, has a flatter trajectory, (greater accuracy and longer range). plus the FN has a few very nice features that dont seem to get much discussion. one of which is an adjustable gas port valve. this allows the gas operating the cycle to be increased or decreased. meaning: if the gas tubes begin to become restricted due to carbon buildup, dirt or zombie goo, the vent can be opened a bit to compensate. this allows one to keep on fighting longer between cleanings because it will continue to cycle even with a bit of goo in the tubes. the guy with the AR will have to stop OFTEN for cleanings and will slow you down. Another feature that some FNs have is a selector knob which will allow bolt-action style operation. by turning the knob to select the grenade (rifle grenade), mode the gas port is closed and the rifle can be manually cycled. this is very helpful for taking shots at long ranges because the cycling motion is stopped and thus excess movement is reduced making it even more accurate. when semi-auto fire is more desirable its a turn of a knob away.

      then again, no firearm is as reliable as a good bolt-action rifle! with practice one can be quite quick and efficient with a bolt-action. Enfield .303 are quick, accurate, reliable, fairly cheap and the ammo is being dumped on the surplus market now at ridiculously affordable prices.

      Youre absolutely right about rifles being better.

      But dont sell the shotgun short. they have much greater range than movies and vid-games have led most people to believe and an inexperienced or over-excited person might benefit from the margin of error.

      • Let me preface this with saying that In a SHTF ( ie: Z-day) situation I’m grabbing my AK47. But a BIG reason for that is due to my huge surplus of ammo for it, because when I’m shooting for fun, I shoot one my ARs.

        I have two ARs, one of them I baby and it’s got all of my “TACTICOOL” accessories on it. The other is a plain jane, factory, Armalite. That rifle has been cleaned once, right when I bought it to remove any “cosmolene” type material. Since that time it has been lubed before each shooting session which is roughly every 200-400 rounds. I’ve put about 3600 rounds through it with no weapon failures a few ammo failures, but that’s beyond my control, with that many rounds of cheap foreign stuff, you’re going to run in to that. With that being said, the military’s weapons are SHIT they are old, they are cleaned TOO much and usually have worn springs (ie: weak hammers, and weak extractors.) Many will have gouged rifling and worn chambers. Guns don’t need cleaned after every range session, or even every 5 range sessions. My Sig 226 daily carry gun has about 1300 round through it and hasn’t been cleaned, because before I started carrying it, I tested it to 6200 rounds before it started gumming up. Just some food for thought for you guys.

        Have fun shooting!!!

    • i agree with you entirely! personally, i have my savage arms, but thats just me 🙂

      • The greatest thing about the savage is that the barrels are easy to change yourself. the down side is that they randomly changed the spacing of their action screws. The accu-trigger is also really nice, better than the adjustable remington trigger.

    • Heavy Metal Cowboy

      you are completly right friend. i was jsut getting ready to make a new post when i saw yours. a .22LR is an excellent choice for the exact same reason you stated. Ammo is wicked cheap and you can start easily stocking up now. 3 bricks of ammo, a semi automatic .22 rifle and two .22LR pistols would all weigh next to nothing when you consider having to take them on along haul with a backpack. all that with a good crowbar with a couple reliable pocketknives and you have every weapon you will need to survive

  129. As long as it can pierce a skull and shoot more than a couple bullets, I’d be getting guns to everyone I could. The trick to beating a zombie invasion is to not try and be Rambo. If everyone can kill an average of two zombies before getting killed, then the problem should take care of itself, varying by the number of zombies created before the threat was realized. I’d prefer to be on a roof somewhere evening the odds with a sniper rifle, and have a couple pistols with large magazines for closer survival. Magnums and Shotguns generally take a long time to reload, and have to be reloaded often. Not to say they aren’t awesome, just not practical in a mass enemy fast paced situation.

    • Only time I’d really use a shotgun would be for inside work. Hallways, small rooms, that sort of thing. The kind of places where the zombies would have to bunch together to attack. Otherwise a rifle and handgun will do. But if I’d truly want to be silent, bow and arrow. lol

  130. Ammo is rare if everyone whos dead already used it in a wild guns-a-blazin attempt to save someone who was already bit.

    But if I were to carry a gun I would have one I would shot and take out a few zombies at close range… Taurus Judge. (look it up) a shotgun (kinda) in a hand gun form.

    Only if I cant swing my bat anymore though

  131. Ill take my trusty Mini-14 and my Sig P226 .40. See you all at the fort!

  132. The thing we are forgetting is weight. Nutrition has gone to hell, so unless you have a way to stay strong and fit, carrying all this stuff at once is going to get you killed.

    They are zombies, so it’s not like you have to carry as much as the military does nowadays. It’s one thing if you are a squatter and got a safehouse to go back to. But if you’re a nomad, all that weight is going to be loud clanking together, as well as wear on you for extended periods of time.

    The key is not to wage an all or nothing shootfest. The key is to kill enough to run away.

  133. for a wepon, i would choose a semi auto rifle, such as a “civi” model (because it is illigal for a civilain to have a fully auto gun with out a 5,000 doller sticker, besides, semi is better) of a Fal. or M-14, with a acog scope, and an undermounted shotgun 100 extra shells, flash light (solar powered) and lazer (solar powered) as well as a silencer and a bayonette.( In case your wondering, I knew about these things before modern warfare, my freinds dad is an ex marine,) with extended mags, and 10 extra clips of ammo, for a secondary firearm, i would choose a M4, iron sights, flashlight, (solar powered) lazer (also solar powered) silencer, 20 extra clips of ammo,
    maybe a .22 silenced cheap scope, and a .22 pistol, 5 extra clips each,

    for hand to teeth combat, i would choose a carbon fiber mechetty (yes they have sharpend versions of thouse) 2 crowbars, and 4 “trench knives” its pretty much a cross between a bowe knife, and brass knuckles with spikes,

    • Actually the tax stamp for a fully automatic weapon is only $200. But I’d agree, Full auto would be worthless for zombies, but i wouldn’t mind having a Mac variant for dispatching marauding survivors and looters trying to take what I’ve stockpiled.

    • Also, they’re called MAGAZINES, not CLIPS. And the ” undermounted shotgun” (which would be the Remington 870MCS “Masterkey”,) and the “silencer” would also be NFA times and would require the purchase of the same $200 tax stamp. If you could find the Masterkey used, it could be transferred for a $5 tax stamp because it’s only considered an AOW. I’ve also noticed you seem to like bladed weapons, I’m not sure what you think a trench knife is going to do to a zombie, but I’d much rather take them out at a distance to keep biological contaminants from spraying on me. Also, the carbon fiber Edged weapons are great for slicing flesh, but they wont easily go through bone. I’ve actually got a few carbon fiber knives, and even made some myself. The only advantage of it would be the weight, but you say you want to carry multiple crowbars, and 35 magazines full of ammunition, so I think the only reason you mentioned it was to sound cool, and like you “know things” Good luck on Z-day. Maybe you shouldn’t believe everything your buddies “Marine” dad supposedly tells you. The Marines don’t use 870MCS’s like in the video-games, they also normally don’t use “silencers.” Extended magazines for semiautomatic rifles are known to be fairly unreliable. So I’d stick with 20 rounders for the .308 (FN FAL, M14) and 30 rounders for the 5.56/.223 “M4” (I think you mean AR15, because the M4 is a machine gun) Hopefully I’ve been of some help on this matter.

      • could you tell us where you get your information? i’m not trying to burn you or anything i would just like a better understanding.

      • Which information? The stuff regarding NFA items (AOW’s, SBR/SBS’s, Full Auto weapons, Destructive Devices, Supressors) Is all readily available information.


        The information about the reliability of extended magazines for battle rifles is from personal experience and that of my peers.

      • think the trench spike comments are a result of their being mentioned in max brooks “zombie survival guide” which i suspect we’ve all read. 😉

        thanks for calling them on the “clips”. it bugs me too when people say “clips” instead of magazines.

      • I’m currently in the Army, Just to let you know our replacement for the m16 series is the M4, its 5.56 and has 3 round burst just like m16a2. It also has a collapsable stock. Its very accurate and anyone in the army can tell you that you don’t have to completely strip it down for cleaning in a time sensitive situation, just splash some lube on it and you’ll be good for thousands of rounds. We go to shooting ranges for entire days and can put thousands of rounds through them in a single day without cleaning.

  134. well right now i have two shotguns and a pistol. the .410 double barrel wont do much for me and i don’t want to dirty it up very much right now it is a very expensive fox .410 model gun. my second shot gun is a 20 gauge Remington. the pistol is a 9mm military model gun made bye S&W it has four extra clips.

    my ideal zombie killing weapons would be a modified m-16 replica with shotgun attachment and scope as my primary. my second would be a colt 1911 model target pistol with Intergraded laser sights and tac. flashlight attachment. that way i can see what i’m shooting and where in general. that or the AA-12 automatic shot gun (fires 300 rounds a minute, and can shoot anything from flares, shot, slugs, mini grenades, and just about anything you can think of.)… and two .357 desert eagles (that way i don’t have to reload all the time!)

    • btw you can just buy the parts to modify the gun later, when you need it like that. just buy the rifle, then the firing mechanism, and then the shotgun attachment. i’m sure you can buy the shotgun somewhere.

  135. OK I think people have forgetting that you want a quite weapon with lots of ammo here. The louder the weapon, the more zombies you will have to dispatch to get away. With that in mine, I would chose the new Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 http://tactical22.net/smith&wesson.htm with an attached silencer, Trijicon ACOG sight, green laser, and high cap mag.

    Now given, you wont be able to take out zombies from a mile away, more like up to 50-75 yards. Which is plenty of distance to clear your surrounding area. Another draw back would be you would have to do head shots because the 22LR would not blow a leg off or an arm, but hey you have to do head shots anyways with any weapon…

    • the magazines on that are just as big as a 5.56 AR15, so unless you want to load magazines with zombies chasin you id go with a 5.56 because you wont save any ammo

  136. In my opinion the best weapons to have are those that there will be plenty of surplus ammo to get your hands on. For this reason the best rifle to have, in the states, is anything that takes NATO 5.56 or in Eastern Europe a 7.62. The best hand gun to have is 9mm, and 12ga for shotgun. These are the standard calibers the US military uses. In the case of large scale incident, be it zombie or not, if the shit hits the fan, you would be able to get more ammo for a weapon taking these rounds easier than any other.

    Personally I have a 5.56 AR15, a Mossberg 500 12 ga, a Glock 17 9mm, a Taurus pt111 9mm, a Remington 597 .22, and a springfield ma9226 7.62mm

  137. I love this!!! HA HA!!! Glocks are fine have a 10mm one and love it! Only problem is with HOT loads; unsupported chambers in the 10mm(.400″dia.) and also some .45ACP’s; can cause cases to fail and cause a possible kB! This in not a problem with the 9x19mm’s(9mm’s)!!! As to the the .45ACP being “uncommon” well then someone is not reading the gun magazines out there! Almost everyone has a 1911 in .45ACP on the cover or an AR!!! Oh and by the way the thing that holds the ammunition is a magazine! A clip goes into a magazine and is only meant to be used once; a magazine is meant to used more than once. Sorry the NRA ceritfied instructor in me is coming out, HA HA!! The XD By Springfield is actually from Croatia and started life as the HS2000. Basically what we want is one shot stop, same as for a lethal force encounter, and there are two ways to accomplish this. VERY Fast light bullet that expand quickly or a big bullet with alot of surface area to do the damage. As much as I love the .22LR it would not be my first choice for defensive cartridge in the event of a “zombie attack” it is too hard to hit a moving head and I am not confident it would do enough damage to an “infected’s” body to put it down. BUT would be better than nothing! The crossbow is a good choice for it simplicity and ease of use, but is not fast enough on reloads to help if you get into the heavy stuff without alot of SUPPORT/PEOPLE!!! And it does not have enough frontal area on the point to do any “damamge” an arrow or bolt(crossbow) uses penetration and loss of blood to stop an animate target. Shotgun for me would be a good side by side in probably 20ga with a three inch chamber and auto-ejectors. Fast to load if you know how to do it and accurate enough for me. Revolvers are great but can also “jam” it is just alot more rare. And reloads are not as fast for the average “joe”. But If I had to rely on something a good heavy frame revolver in a big caliber would be what I would want. As far as rifles go…Same thing any battle proven design would work! And yeah a “lever-gun” is not a bad choice! But I would rather have it in a pistol cartridge such as the .44-40 or the .44Mag and use .44Spec’s. But you have to clean up the chamber well after using sub-length cartridges or else you can have a kB!! Nothing wrong with .30WCF, just the pistol cartridges would be better suited in a closer engagement and holds more in the tubular magazine. Me I would carry one of each. A good long range rifle and a closer range carbine with a good side by side and then of course the sidearm or two! I have thought of this quite often and comes up every once in awhile on my reloading/hunting BBS’s. Yeah i know weight is big thing but I can carry alot of ammunition if I do things the right way! Also would make sure i had a water filter of some sort!!! I can eat less often than I need water!!!

  138. How about an AK101? It seems like the best of both worlds- the reliability of an AK series with the ability to use 5.56 or .223, both of which are very common in the US.
    For a sidearm, I wouldn’t even bother- at the range you could effectively use one you could walk up and give an aluminum bat to the face much more accurately without the weight of ammunition.
    As for scrounging ammunition at Wal-Marts – You’re better off raiding people’s abandoned homes for ammunition. That sounds bad, but at the first hint of nationwide danger, people will have purchased all available ammunition within days.

    Would a lever action rifle be a suitable weapon? It is the only firearm I own and has been working for at least a century (it is a family heirloom). Since it doesn’t utilize a gas system it would be far more reliable than an AR-15, and .30-.30 is a fairly common cartridge for deer hunting, no? The only downside is its weight – however, it has an extremely sturdy oak stock and a steel plate on the butt, making it equally ideal for bashing if you run out of ammunition.

    • 5.56 and .223 are the same rounds

      • The cartridge casings for both calibers have basically the same length and exterior dimensions. The 5.56 round, loaded to Military Specification, typically has higher velocity and chamber pressure than the .223 Rem. The 5.56 cartridge case may have thicker walls, and a thicker head, for extra strength. This better contains the higher chamber pressure. However, a thicker case reduces powder capacity, which is of concern to the reloader. The 5.56mm and .223 Rem chambers are nearly identical. The difference is in the “Leade”. Leade is defined as the portion of the barrel directly in front of the chamber where the rifling has been conically removed to allow room for the seated bullet. It is also more commonly known as the throat. Leade in a .223 Rem chamber is usually .085″. In a 5.56mm chamber the leade is typically .162″, or almost twice as much as in the 223 Rem chamber. You can fire .223 Rem cartridges in 5.56mm chambers with this longer leade, but you will generally have a slight loss in accuracy and velocity over firing the .223 round in the chamber with the shorter leade it was designed for. Problems may occur when firing the higher-pressure 5.56mm cartridge in a .223 chamber with its much shorter leade. It is generally known that shortening the leade can dramatically increase chamber pressure. In some cases, this higher pressure could result in primer pocket gas leaks, blown cartridge case heads and gun functioning issues.

        Basically, a firearm chambered in 5.56 can fire either 5.56 or .223. But 5.56 is not recommended for use in a .223 chamber.

    • Fedora, the 30/30 is a fine weapon. since you already own it, that makes it an even better choice. the ballistics of the 30/30 have been shown to be about the same as the SKS/AK-47 (7.62x39mm) so it’s a decent choice for general combat. the only issues you might have are availability of ammo and reloading speed. youre right about it being a fairly common round. there was a time when it seemed most rural households had a 30/30. (Winchester 30/30 : “the gun that tamed the west”) however…most people did not store up huge caches of reserve ammunition. a few boxes seemed sufficient since they were viewed as hunting and home defense tools. very few in the u.s. expected a full-scale invasion or an end of supply. also, they are not as well-favoured today as in the past. most survival minded folk these days are buying mil-surp or military variants. so if you end up having to rely on your ability to scrounge ammunition you might regret not investing in something that is currently popular. for instance, in the past one of the most popular hunting calibers was the .30/06. in our time it has been replaced by the .308. both are commonly found in stores, but due to many factors, (not the least of which is the conversion of NATO to the .308 instead of the former .30/06), in most scrounging situations in the u.s. today a greater supply of .308 is likely to be found. of course, this may vary with regional considerations.

      the other issue, reloading speed: its not that bad but just understand you wont be able to drop the magazine and slap another in. practice firing and reloading in a variety of situations. learn your weapon and practice. you should really start buying as much spare ammo for it as you can and learning to reload will greatly increase the availability and your survivability.

      correct Molotov. the .223 and 5.56 are the same caliber, it is the difference in their construction that presents the problems. also, as you alluded to the thicker casing walls, another consideration is the thicker primer casing. some, (not all), civilian .223 chambered rifles are unable to penetrate the primer casings due to weaker springs and whatnot. ive heard of people modifying their .223s with heavier springs to compensate for this and using both types of .223/5.56 but unless i was very confident of the chamber pressure tolerances, i would not try it.

      imho if one is dead-set on using this caliber, get a mil-variant that can fire both. dont get an AR…thats my vote for reasons previously stated. there is a company called Saiga (sp?) that makes a very fine AK-47 variant chambered in 5.56 NATO. a relative owns several and ive fired, disassembled and cleaned them many times. they are superb. the reliability of an AK chambered in a lighter round. they have very little recoil. the only issue i have is the magazines are expensive and being an unusual combo might be hard to locate. however…at a gunshow in houston a year and a half ago a seller had basically a truckload of them loaded on tables and they were flying “off the shelves” so maybe by now they are common enough to warrant a recommendation. it is a superb piece of machinery and as i said in a previous post. my marine corps experience impressed upon me the undesireable facets of the M-16/AR variants.

      in short: they are not good.

  139. Why are y’all trying to go ‘big’ with everything? I thought the goal was a shot to the head to conserve ammo. Also, with smaller caliber ammo, you can carry ALOT more.

    Has anyone actually felt how heavy 10 loaded 30rnd AK mags are? That’s a paltry 300 rounds, and even in proper load-bearing gear it weighs a ton. Carrying spare ammo takes up a ton of space, esp. with shotguns. Also, on that note, whoever mentioned the SPAS-12, as a previous owner, just dont, they should’ve named it the JAM-12, if you do want a semi auto shotgun, go with a Saiga-12, at least that has the functionality of an AK and uses a magazine.

    Anyway, back to the going big thing… you can mitigate most of the drawbacks of firearms mentioned in other articles by just using a .22lr weapon and going for the head. I know its been mentioned about real-life situation accuracy, but you have much better chances with a low-recoil, accurate .22. Additionally, in the space you could carry 800 rounds of .308/7.62 nato you could EASILY carry 2,000 rounds of .22lr, and it would probably still be lighter. It will also be the easiest ammo to scrounge, as pretty much any store in the country that has sports stuff at least has some .22 ammo on hand. As for the last draw back of firearms, the noise, that horrible report that starts the chain of moans for miles and lights up a buffet sign over your head, .22 caliber weapons are fairly quite anyway, but are VERY quiet when suppressed, and you have have yourself a Tactical Innovations suppressor for a Walther P22, Sig Mosquito, or Ruger 10/22 for about $350 (including the $200 class-III tax stamp).

    …and anyone mentioning carrying a big ‘ole revolver in a zombie outbreak- just go spend your money on a large silver platter to lay on and save yourself all the running.

    • i agree with your comments about the .22lr. it is a great round and capable of much more than most think. deer were/are routinely taken with this round though in most states hunting deer with rimfire ammo is now illegal. in any urban or forest setting it is cabable of scoring hits at ranges one is likely to encounter when not in open savannah or prairie country.

      still, for my primary weapon i’d rather carry something a bit larger (.308) and reserve the .22lr for my sidearm. the ruger .22lr is a fine choice, can easily fit a suppressor if one needs to be sneaky and if not its still, as you said fairly quiet. remember, in such a crisis Zombies will likely not be the only hostile entities one will encounter. sentient human marauders, the desperate who did not prepare, your ex-wife or any other likely attacker who is not limited by the scourge of solanum will pose a greater threat because they will not walk slowly while you try for an head shot. they might be hiding behind cover, wearing armour and shooting back. in consideration of that likelyhood, bigger IS better. but as for a backup sidearm i dont think anything can improve upon the .22lr. especially the ruger semi-auto. at the ranges one is likely to require the use of a sidearm a .22 will even take out your kevlar-vested ex-wife. (provided you can get a head-shot)

      dont understand all the expressed concern for ammo-weight. arent ya’ll doing your CARDIO? (rule #1 of zombieland) i guess there is a limit to that notion but what healthy human adult cant carry 20-50 lbs? in the corps we packed 120lbs of gear over mountains. i often packed close to 200 and once carried my gear, plus a 200 pound marine AND his gear on my shoulders half-way up the side of a steep mountain. had to rest several times but i did it. why did i do that? because i HAD to. you guys are underrating yourselves with all this concern about the weight of a few extra bullets. ammunition is not THAT heavy. besides everyone should be training already. dont wait for the ghouls to pound on your door before getting your cardio. have one word for you all on that score: KETTLEBELL. get one and use it.

      disagree with max brooks on the vehicle issue, generally speaking. though my choice would also be an armoured car… or an APC if i could find one. but it wont be that difficult driving around once the initial craziness is over. most drivers instinctively swerve off the road anyway so there will likely be some room for navigation except perhaps in places like manhatten. plus…a lot of stuff is going to burn, dont forget that. and having seen many vehicles burned and burning, i can tell you once a modern car burns up, there really isnt much left but a lightweight skeleton, brake drums and axles plus the engine/trans, few pieces of loosely attached sheet metal. all of which can be easily pushed aside by a large truck or armoured car. heck, i once saw a city bus burn up and what was left, i could almost have pushed out of the way by hand! here in texas with a good heavy truck or a 4×4 one can get around. your local national guard HQ will have many lovely vehicles just sitting around, unless they were mobilized early. so dont worry about how heavy the ammo is, choose your primary for reliability, availability of reloads, accuracy, range and power. do your cardio/weight training now so you’ll be strong enough not to care about the weight. then, get a good vehicle and load it full of ammo and many kinds of weapons and have a blast in Z-world! but definitely forgo the big sidearms for a .22 lr pistol and carry a big primary, rifle or shotgun. just in case you get separated from your vehicle and primary weapon you can carry hundreds of .22rounds in your pants pockets and your pistol will be on your hip in it’s holster leaving your hands free. that’s a size and numerical consideration, not a weight concern. bigger is better, but more is also better.

      as for all the discourse on machetes and crowbars…i’ll take max brooks argument on the usefulness of a crowbar in a disaster and add to it bolt cutters but as for a weapon? i guess if i had no choice and couldnt run i’d use a machete or crowbar but given the choice of fighting the infected with a machete or running? i’ll run. besides, for all those concerned about the weight of ammunition: do you know how many bullets you could have packed for what that machete weighs? 😉

      been fun. take care. see y’all on Z-day.

  140. i’d rather tak a spaz-12, magnum .44 and some good ol fashioned melee myself.
    machete’s, baseball bats, crowbars, clubs and steel bars dont need ammo!

  141. Paul Tagg–the Stoner action on the M-16 is prone to failure without constant upkeep…I’ll take an M-14 or an AK-47 any day of the week…you don’t need to clean the action daily and the bullet is much larger (3-4 times in terms of weight) which means less shots to put down the undead…

    the M-16 and it’s 5.56mm round were chosen due to political concerns along with logistical reasons…ammo transport=lots of weight and many soldiers bitched about the weight of the M-14…worthless drafted hippies couldn’t carry a real man’s weapon

    • actually, the ar 15 direct impingement has evolved to be much more reliable. there are also piston ARs. in fact, even the original m16 was reliable without cleaning, and was promoted as such so none were issued with cleaning kits. the thing was, they had been built around colt premium ammunition, much too expensive for the military to buy in bulk for ‘nam over lake city ball.

  142. I concur with the 357 Mag comment, also, with a nice collection of speed-loaders, you can reload much faster than magazine-fed automatics, which also often jam…double-action revolvers never jam
    I also prefer Mossbergs to Remingtons, especially the Mossberg 500 12-gauge with Marine-coat–a water-proofing finish designed for duck hunters and others who continually get their shotguns moist–they never rust

  143. in my experiances the ar-15 is just a striped down civialianized version of the military m16, and look how reliable its been, its been in service since vietnam, so its safe to assume most people could find their way around one or die trying, the ammo will be easily found since the military will make its prescense known and be killed so free ammo there

    • The AR-15 came first. Semi-auto only, it was acquired by the USAF in the early ’60’s. It was the Army that had it modified for select-fire and adopted it as the M16. It required much maintenance and still does. It was procured from the lowest bidder as is most military items. The soldiers and marines had no say in the matter. It is unfortunately still with us because the generals think it adequate for the job. I did 20 years in the Army and I don’t care for it myself. I have a semi-auto AK that is far more reliable than any AR-16/M16.

  144. handguns are a moot point, if your alreay slugging a shotgun and a rifle plus ammo why would you burden yourself with an additional 2lbs for just the weapon then ammo, use the weight for food water etc.

    rifle: i would go with a russian SKS you can find them anywhere, they are cheap, extraodinarily durable, and 7.62x39mm ammo can be found in every damn country on the planet, they are great out to 300m, sure you can only hold 10rds in the clip but it forces you to take aim and make em count, plus in trained hands you can reload the mag with stipper clips without even dropping it from your shoulder.

    shotguns: i would absolutely go with a mossberg semi as opposed to pump for the simple reason its easier to rack a cocking handle during a jam compared to fucking with the slide pump, if i had to dream i would take an AA12 simply because it is the most badass shotgun in history.

    and roscoe i am a tank driver, its been my experience you run over any weapon with a tank it won’t work anymore. and as for glocks to many small parts, too many moving parts, go with simplicity a browning 9mm 1911 pattern holds just as many rounds, can be just as accurate, and can be disassembled, cleaned reassembled and firing in less then 3 min. when zombies are bearing down on you simple is better.

    • Nah, you want a handgun over a shotgun anyday, why carry 2 long arms when you could carry a long and a short. Use your pistol for short to mid range and rife for long.

    • Theglock is a much more simple pistol than a 1911. Get your facts right dumbass

  145. Joe Lyons, Corporal, USMC

    For all of these weapons, please keep in mind that personal preference and experience come into play.

    Pistol: The Colt 1911 in .45 ACP. There are millions of them in circulation, so parts aren’t a problem if you have a breakage, it’s a ridiculously reliable and accurate weapon. Also, you can find 1911 variants that accept 13 round high capacity magazines. Another plus is the fact that .45 ACP is quite prevalent and therefore will be easy to find.

    Shotgun: Remington 870. I have one and will swear by it. It’s modified with a side-mounted shell holder, an extended magazine, and a pistol grip. I know, not great for long range but it is my intent to modify it to a “masterkey” format for use as an under-barrel weapon with an assault rifle.

    Rifle: AR-15. Now, I know some of you may not like the AR-15, based on the fact that is requires a decent amount of work to maintain, but it’s the rifle I have the most experience with. So tell me this: When you are being attacked, regardless of the threat, do you want a weapon that you are kind of familiar with, or do you want something that you can fix any stoppage, disassemble and reassemble and clean all by reflex?

  146. ak-47, m14, m1a, mini-14, m1a1, m1 garand, BAR, all good rifles but an ar anything is mostly total shit unless you have put it through some hard use its a waste, as for shotguns mossberg 500 or 590 have ones that hold 9 and aren’t to long, handguns go for glocks, 1911’s med caliber revolvers, m9’s XD’s or rugers. all nice and reliable but you only want 1 of each but have as many as you want at your base to equip other survivors who join you, or for spare parts.

  147. 1. The Remmington 870 is a great choice. You can buy one for $450 that holds 5-6 in the tube and one in the chamber. You don’t really need a flashlight on your gun though. A decent head lamp would be fine. I might consider putting a bayonet on it though for skull penitration through the eye socket. I believe the the 870 is actualy choked to tag things at a 50 yard range with buck shot, so the spread on the shot shouldn’t mess up your bayonet. Shot gun ammo is kind of heavy, but nothing can really match the power of it either. You can also reload spent shells fairly easily and cheaply. You’re also not looking at an insane leavel of matanince.

    2. A SocomII is a great choice to. It’s a classic semi-auto rifle. It’s short enough for houce clearing, but still acurit to about 300-500 yards. But the best thing about it is that it shots a 308. A cheap easy to find, hard hitting round. This gun runs at about $1500-$2000. Exspinsive, but you can snipe and houce clear with it. The military uses it to this day.

    3. I think any revovler is a good choice based off the reasons stated by the other posts.If I was going to get a semi-auto, it would be the XD 45 by Springfield Armory. It holds a shit load of rounds, is reliable with good matanince and is smooth shooting. They run about $500-$700.

  148. I doubt the guy chose those guns is taking things very seriously when he recommends an arrow gun. A bare bones AR-15 would be pretty nice, but I’m a pretty firm believer that a good mil-surp rifle is a better option, since it allows you to run the military caliber cartridge, AND the equivalent civilian model. An AR-15 in .223 Rem trying to cycle 5.56 NATO can have nasty consequences, where as a rifle in 5.56 can cycle .223 no problem. Versatile ammo use is a huge plus.

    His shotgun is needlessly expensive, and his choice in handgun is preposterous. I agree that a .357 or a glock 9 are both VASTLY superior options to a huge handgun with an unnecessarily rare and over sized cartridge.

    Also, a repeating crossbow is 600 year old technology that hasn’t been adapted for modern application, and trying to fire rebar is the dumbest thing I have heard in a while.

  149. This gun seems more fantasy than anything its most defnitly too heavy to use on the run from a zombie hoard more effective for preventing the zombie apocalypse and dipatching smal groups of zombies (1-20) nice thought but not good enough to keep you alive and the undead dead

  150. I would personally go for a repeater crossbow because they are bad ass, and you can always use pieces of rebar for ammo if you run out. melee weapon would have to be a crowbar just cause. and a side arm… glock 17-c, fun gun and reliable.

    • This is just about guns.

      And rebar is too heavy to use to use in a crossbow.

      • You can’t exclude crossbows from this for three reasons they would be easy to keep maintained, you could easily stockpile bolts, and you could even make bolts from sticks and other such items.
        And I can’t believe no one has even mentioned dynamite or grenades MOLOTOV COCKTAILS! and yall claim you know what your doing I’ll tell you right now who would survive, if there was a full on Zombie Apocalypse a redneck huddled up in his cabin in the middle of no where.

    • defnitly got the rebar from half life…

    • A glock? reliable?

      • Uh, glocks are extremely reliable, actually. You can literally run one over with a tank and it will still shoot perfectly. There is a reason they are a standard firearm for law enforcement agencies.

      • Well, in my EXPERIENCE, glocks are reliable. Never had a failure to eject a spent cartridge. But then, I have never run one over in a tank either.

        • I think S&W model 27 .357 magnum and a 30 06 P14 bolt action rifle as well as a savage 12 pump action shot gun oh and by the way don’t forget the bayonet with the P14 rifle.

      • Glock = Frag grenade

        • You’re talking about early model frames being used for higher pressure rounds such as 10mm/.357 Sig/.40 before Glock designed specific frames for those rounds. I’m a Sig guy myself, but glocks have proven themselves reliable for a lot of years to those who prefer them.

      • Really? I thought they were pistols. Maybe you could provide us with some information about your personal experience with glocks that makes you think otherwise?

      • in my 15 years as a law enforcement officer, all this time with a glock, i have never had it jam. once i was training some rookies and i put several thousand rounds through it in a few days. when i got home, i was too tired to clean it, but it never jammed. However, i have seen an XD, Hi-Power, and a berretta jam, multiple times.

      • Yes they are. I manages a shooting range for 4 years, the 3 handguns (semi-auto, center fire) that would take the abuse and keep on shooting. Sig, Glock and H&K hands down. For semi-auto, rim fire, Ruger MK I, or II the MK III was not out yet.

  151. Pistol: a 9mm Glock. Holds plenty of bullets per clip, and I believe they even have extended clips for it.

    Shotgun: the semiauto shotgun the Spetnaz used in the tv show “Deadlist Warrior”

    Rifle: Bushmaster .204 Ruger. I don’t know very much, if any, about guns, but I saw this in the latest Cabella’s newspaper insert.

    • Holds plenty of ROUNDS per MAGAZINE

      • Lolersaur

        Thanks for pointing that out! I see that you and I share in the same pet peeve. A magazine is not a clip. The articles are not interchangeable and neither is the the terminology.

      • His use of “clip” was wrong but “bullet” wasn’t. No need to do a double correction. Bullet can refer to the full, intact round/slug/etc., prior to firing or after. That doesn’t matter. The projectile or the entire round can be referred to as “bullet.”

        Regardless, even as a cop (in two months), I wouldn’t use my Glock in an invasion. It just doesn’t have the punch we’d need.

        • No, rounds are referred to as rounds, not bullets. A bullet is a part of a round. It makes just as much sense calling rounds “primers” or “casings. And as far as a 9mm not having enough “punch”, that does not necessarily matter. As long as you hit the brain, you’re in business. Sure, if I had to hit the brain with either a .22lr or a .50 BMG, I’d take the 50. But you’ll want a weapon that you are most accurate and precise with, regardless of caliber since they can all pierce the skull/brain. A 9mm may not have as much “punch” as needed for an officer, but zombies are another story as long as you hit the brain.

          • 9mm is more than enough punch for a cop. Thinking about that shows there is a gaping hole in the training state side. Using your weapon (none lethal or otherwise) should be the last thing an office would want to do. I realise you’re not the one wanting to be a cop, but it narks me whenever I am state side to see how trigger happy cops are. If they aren’t pulling their pistol on someone they are Tazering them.

            And a free tip, a double tap is easier to pull off with a 9mm than the .45 most cops want to have glued to their waist. I was trained to use a 9mm and I’ve had no issues dropping someone (British Army, funfunfun). Christ, you can take a man down with a .22 easier than you can plink a can with a BB gun.

            Take a look at what air marshal’s carry, they rock .22s. Virtually zero recoil and due to low velocity, you don’t get through and through penetration making them safer for the other passengers.

          • Rifle-M4A2 COMPACT KILLING MACHINE! Carried by our military today. Not only is it compact but you habe 2 selector switches to choose your firing rate. Burst or semi. Burst in 3 shot pairs and semi in single

            Side arm- Springfield 1911 .45 very good weapon. Powerfully yet safe. It has 3 safetys pressure safetys in grip, trigger safety, and a locking bar that will not allow the firing pin to strike unless the other 2 are engaged.

            Shotgun- siga would be a good choice although I personally would not carry a shotgun. If I had to it would be a 410 with buck shot. Not to heavy but will do the same damage as a 20 guage.

            Close range would be baseball bats.

            Horde defense- plenty of c4, claymore, at4 rockets, m204 grenade launcher, 155 howitzer round. Insurgents use the 155 as a vehicular demobilizer. Should work for hordes

    • Good choice if you MUST use a shotgun. The Saiga-12k would be my recommendation too. Reliability of an AK, adjustable gas system to cycle different shell loads, and they’re magazine fed. 5, 8, and 10 round “banana clips” are available, as well as a recently designed 20 round drum magazine released by MDArms.

      They’re also available in the US in .410 and 20 gauge, letting you carry more ammo, and be able to scrounge decent ammo at walmarts everywhere across the zombie plagued landscape. So if you must carry a big old boomstick, this would be the one to use. I have yet to ever experience a jam in Saiga-12 with a 10 rounder.

    • Just get a WW2 era Russian rifle. AK models, Tokerevs, and Mosins are superior, due to simple design, durability, ease of repairs/simple tools, reliability, accuracy, and plentiful ammunition.

    • I agree with the Glock as handgun choice, but prefer .40 caliber.

    • A Glock would be a decent choice for the handgun, I don’t know which shotgun you’re talking about, but it sounds fine if you have to use one. I disagree with you about the .204 though… .204 is an uncommon round so unless you had a huge stockpile of ammo, it might as well be an expensive club.

    • Redbeard The Zombie Hunter

      The Glock 17 is an EXCELLENT DEFENSIVE WEAPON! To anyone who favors a .45 over a 9MM because it’s “too small”, Take a 9mm hollowpoint or a Federal Hydra Shock round to the chest and tell me it’s too small!
      Years ago I was faced with an armed robbery perpetrator holding a .38 and screaming at a terrified cashier to give him the money or he’ll “blow his fullin head off”, I did as I was trained to do and double-tapped the piece of human garbage right in the 10 ring. He dropped like a burlap bag of warm fresh dog crap!
      In answer to the magazine question, Years ago you could find what they called a “Plus 2” magazine or kit that consisted of a new triangular bottom cap, and follower that enabled a standard 17-round mag to hold 19 rounds. The Glock 18 is in all appearance just like the Glock 17 but it is a European military weapon that has a 30-round magazine that extends a few inches below the bottom of the grip of the frame and is fully automatic. The magazine catch well is identical between the 17 and the 18 and the magazines are fully interchangeable. If you have a Glock 17 or 19 (compact model semi-auto), and if you can find some Glock 18 30-round magazines, you’d stand a considerably better chance in a firefight or zombie onslaught.

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